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Old November 26 2013, 10:51 PM   #91
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Re: The Curator.... Who is he? (SPOILERS for "The Day of the Doctor")

I think people are looking for ambiguity in the dialogue that simply isn't there.
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Old November 26 2013, 11:32 PM   #92
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I would like to know, how did Clara, of all people, did not recognize the curator as the Doctor?
Because when she went into the Doctor's time stream, there was only 11 (12) faces to see. The Curator is a future version of the Doctor, so hasn't yet--at the point Clara jumped in--become a part of the current Doctor's time stream.

Basically the same reason she didn't see Capaldi's Doctor.
As Eleven collapsed in the Tomb/TARDIS, didn't he say that his timeline rotating in front of him represented ALL of his travels - even future ones that he had NOT YET experienced... and that was why the time paradox was particularly damaging to him at that point?

If this is the case, shouldn't Capaldi's Doctor -and all future Doctors- be running around in there, visible to Clara? I could see why this complication would not work very well within the storytelling of this episode, but shouldn't Clara have seen ALL Doctors (past, present & future) while she was trapped within the mists of that timeline?
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Old November 26 2013, 11:38 PM   #93
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^ I'm wondering if the scar is somehow a fake or a substitution (e.g., of the TARDIS's own timeline). if not, then the only real alternative seems to involve the death and dissolution of the Doctor's original body; though whether it'll stay that way is another question.
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Old November 27 2013, 12:24 AM   #94
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I would like to know, how did Clara, of all people, did not recognize the curator as the Doctor?
Because when she went into the Doctor's time stream, there was only 11 (12) faces to see. The Curator is a future version of the Doctor, so hasn't yet--at the point Clara jumped in--become a part of the current Doctor's time stream.

Basically the same reason she didn't see Capaldi's Doctor.
As Eleven collapsed in the Tomb/TARDIS, didn't he say that his timeline rotating in front of him represented ALL of his travels - even future ones that he had NOT YET experienced... and that was why the time paradox was particularly damaging to him at that point?

If this is the case, shouldn't Capaldi's Doctor -and all future Doctors- be running around in there, visible to Clara? I could see why this complication would not work very well within the storytelling of this episode, but shouldn't Clara have seen ALL Doctors (past, present & future) while she was trapped within the mists of that timeline?
Well the Christmas Special flat out saying 11 is the one who was at Trenzalore does give them an out on this.
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Old November 27 2013, 12:28 AM   #95
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He mentions trying on a few favorite old faces. He knew who the Doctor was. He IS the Doctor, wearing an old face for a second time.
Yes - this was laid out pretty clearly...

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Why did the installation on the wall of the gallery look like part of the interior wall of a TARDIS console room? Did the TARDIS also retire and become the National Gallery or did the Curator create the installation as a memento?
I think it was Tom's Tardis - he had eventually fixed the chamelion circuit and disguised it as an exhibit...
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Old November 28 2013, 12:01 AM   #96
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Re: The Curator.... Who is he? (SPOILERS for "The Day of the Doctor")

If the Curator was a future Doctor (and he was!), then the Doctor must someday find a way to go beyond the limitation of twelve regenerations (as the Master once did). Perhaps Clara could only see those initial twelve regenerations.

Or perhaps she simply didn't recognize him because of his age. We knew who he was, because we've been familiar with him for years. She probably only saw him for a few moments.
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Old November 28 2013, 12:50 AM   #97
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Re: The Curator.... Who is he? (SPOILERS for "The Day of the Doctor")

Here's something I began to wonder today.

If Baker hadn't agreed to appear as the Curator, would Moffat have offered the role to Davison? Or would that scene never have happened?
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Old November 28 2013, 01:01 AM   #98
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That depends on whether this scene is setting up a future arc, no?
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Old November 28 2013, 01:09 AM   #99
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True, but the question, I guess, is whether or not Baker was the only choice for the scene, or would the information have been conveyed another way?

Moffat could have fallen back on Davison as a back-up, but Colin and Sylvester would probably never have been Moffat's back-up plan as he doesn't think much of either of them as actors.
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Old November 28 2013, 01:16 AM   #100
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True, but the question, I guess, is whether or not Baker was the only choice for the scene, or would the information have been conveyed another way?

Moffat could have fallen back on Davison as a back-up, but Colin and Sylvester would probably never have been Moffat's back-up plan as he doesn't think much of either of them as actors.
No, I don't think he was the only choice to make the scene work, but Baker does carry a gravitas due to how iconic his Doctor has become that another choice likely would not have. The conversations would be focusing on what such a search for Gallifrey might entail for the Doctor rather than who Baker was meant to be in this scene as so much of this thread has been. I recall an old interview of Baker's (maybe made up in my head) that he'd like to come back to the show as the Master. It would be pretty mind blowing to find out the Curator is a retired Master.
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Old November 28 2013, 04:21 AM   #101
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Here's something I began to wonder today.

If Baker hadn't agreed to appear as the Curator, would Moffat have offered the role to Davison? Or would that scene never have happened?
I was thinking about that earlier in the day myself. While Tom Baker may have been the first choice for the role for a variety of reasons (oldest living Doctor, fan favourite) I imagine they have been prepared to go to one of the other classic Doctors.

Moffat could have fallen back on Davison as a back-up, but Colin and Sylvester would probably never have been Moffat's back-up plan as he doesn't think much of either of them as actors.
Ouch, really? I know Davison is Moffat's favourite, but I didn't realize he was so harsh towards C Baker and McCoy. I can easily picture any of them portraying the Curator perfectly.
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Old November 28 2013, 04:26 AM   #102
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Moffat could have fallen back on Davison as a back-up, but Colin and Sylvester would probably never have been Moffat's back-up plan as he doesn't think much of either of them as actors.
Ouch, really? I know Davison is Moffat's favourite, but I didn't realize he was so harsh towards C Baker and McCoy. I can easily picture any of them portraying the Curator perfectly.
A caveat, this interview is now almost twenty years old.

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I'm talking retrospectively now, when I look back at Doctor Who now. I laugh at it, fondly. As a television professional, I think how did these guys get a paycheck every week? Dear god, it's bad! Nothing I've seen of the black and white stuff - with the exception of the pilot, the first episode - should have got out of the building. They should have been clubbing those guys to death! You've got an old guy in the lead who can't remember his lines; you've got Patrick Troughton, who was a good actor, but his companions - how did they get their Equity card? Explain that! They're unimaginably bad. Once you get to the colour stuff some of it's watchable, but it's laughable. Mostly now, looking back, I'm startled by it. Given that it's a children's show, and a teatime show, I think the Peter Davison stuff is well constructed, the characters are consistent

Peter Davison is a better actor than all the other ones, that's the simple reason why he works more than all the other ones. There is no sophisticated, complicated reason to explain why Peter Davison carried on working and all the other Doctors disappeared into a retirement home for lardies. He's better and I think he's extremely good as the Doctor. I recently watched a very good Doctor Who story, one I couldn't really fault. It was Snakedance. Sure it was cheap but it was beautifully acted, well written. There was a scene in it where Peter Davison has to explain what's going on, the Doctor always has to. Now some drunk old lardie like Tom Baker would come on to a sudden, shuddering halt in the middle of the set (and) stare at the camera because he can't bear the idea that someone else is in the show. But Peter Davison is such a good actor he managed to panic on screen for a good two minutes so he had you sitting on the edge of your seat, thinking god, this must be really, really bad. He shrills and shrieks and fails around marvellously.
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Here's something I began to wonder today.

If Baker hadn't agreed to appear as the Curator, would Moffat have offered the role to Davison? Or would that scene never have happened?
I was thinking about that earlier in the day myself. While Tom Baker may have been the first choice for the role for a variety of reasons (oldest living Doctor, fan favourite) I imagine they have been prepared to go to one of the other classic Doctors.
It struck me this evening that the Curator could have been Eccleston's role. Imagine that how that would have played. The Doctor we had always known as the one who suffered the most for Gallifrey's destruction, to have him suddenly appear and hint that, no, it was saved after all! I'm probably thinking nonsense here, yet it makes so much sense to me intuitively.
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Old November 28 2013, 11:20 AM   #103
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Wow, what an awful thing for Moffat to say. My respect for him just declined precipitously.

I was wondering myself what they would have done if Tom Baker wasn't available. Peter Davison would have been just fine with me, since he's "my" Doctor. But any of the Doctors would have been fine with me. Maybe they would have put David Tennant in old age makeup.
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If Tom Baker had proved unavailable, I think David Bradley would've been a good choice... He'd have supped for Hartnell, as per the Adventures in Space and Time.

If anything, it'd been a nice nod back to that's ending.
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Wow, what an awful thing for Moffat to say. My respect for him just declined precipitously.

I was wondering myself what they would have done if Tom Baker wasn't available. Peter Davison would have been just fine with me, since he's "my" Doctor. But any of the Doctors would have been fine with me. Maybe they would have put David Tennant in old age makeup.
Well that quote was from 20 years ago, and from the sounds of it alcohol had been imbied, and whilst I probably wouldn't have put it quite so harshly, he does have a point with regard to acting ability.

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If Tom Baker had proved unavailable, I think David Bradley would've been a good choice... He'd have supped for Hartnell, as per the Adventures in Space and Time.

If anything, it'd been a nice nod back to that's ending.
I guess it depends which came first, the role of the curator or the availability of Tom. Did Moffat always intend there to be a curator, or was the role created once it became apparent Tom was willing to appear. If itís the former then Peter would have been the logical choice (and there would have been an interesting synchronicity, the two youngest Doctors meeting) but if itís the latter then the scene might have played out very differently. Other than with Tom or Peter I canít see that scene as working very well.
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