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Old November 25 2013, 07:29 AM   #196
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Sure.

I always liked him. Yeah I know no one else does but I always thought he was sweet. And I enjoy looking at him.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:34 AM   #197
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Sure.

I always liked him. Yeah I know no one else does but I always thought he was sweet. And I enjoy looking at him.
Who, Harry?
He never bothered me either.
Folks called him annoying and useless.
Jar Jar Binks is annoying and useless, Harry was just average people. Seriously, what was so exciting about LaForge, Crusher or Troi? At least Harry had cool choices in friends, like Tom & Be'Lanna.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:45 AM   #198
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NOTHING was exciting about LaForge or Troi. Crusher, she had beautiful hair but as I was informed in this very forum it was all fake

LaForge was absolutely useless. Troi at least was good for some laughs as in, at. If she'd been like she was in FC through the whole thing that would have been a big improvement.
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Old November 25 2013, 08:00 AM   #199
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I would have enjoyed LaForge if I had ever seen Reading Rainbow.

Relative to everyone else that makes him the most massive star ever on Star Trek.

I think Britta Perry said it best... "Imagine passing a bum cheque to Kunta Kinte?"
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Old November 25 2013, 10:15 AM   #200
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I'm sure LaForge recalibrated more systems than Kim.

I could be a little biased toward him, I also liked Levar because I watched Reading Rainbow.

But don't take my word for it.
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Old November 25 2013, 11:50 AM   #201
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I always wondered why Kim was made part of the senior staff straight out of the academy.

If he'd come aboard as Lieutenant Kim, and we'd learnt that he'd taken an advanced officer program at the Academy or something much like Kirk appears to have done, it'd have sat better for me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tuvok receive a promotion to Lieutenant Commander around Season Three or Four? Surely they had an extra pip aboard for Kim!
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Old November 25 2013, 12:20 PM   #202
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Outside of LaForge's failure to score women beyond the inner walls of a Holodeck, I still thought he was a cool addition to TNG crew because of his X-Ray Specs and special friendship with Data. Burton's such a good actor, anyway. Harry Kim just never really brought anything to the table. as far as I'm concerned. And as an actor in a series, to see this happening to your character, I mean ... does he even care? Or was he just glad to be gainfully employed and cashing those healthy cheques?
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Old November 25 2013, 12:29 PM   #203
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I always wondered why Kim was made part of the senior staff straight out of the academy.

If he'd come aboard as Lieutenant Kim, and we'd learnt that he'd taken an advanced officer program at the Academy or something much like Kirk appears to have done, it'd have sat better for me.
That's a good question.
Perhaps there weren't any other better-qualified ops officers assigned to Voyager?Idk but maybe Starfleet felt that ops officers were not very relevant to the Maquis-hunting mission,like how having a counselor on board was unimportant too(Which I reckon is a bit silly since isn't the ops position important too?).It is a bit hard to believe or imagine that ALL the other ops officers were freshly out of the academy too,and that Harry was the best out of all of them.
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Old November 25 2013, 01:45 PM   #204
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I thought LaForge could be a bit dull too, but the actor was better.
I assumed that all the crew members better qualified that Kim had died.
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Old November 25 2013, 03:28 PM   #205
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That's a good question.
Perhaps there weren't any other better-qualified ops officers assigned to Voyager?Idk but maybe Starfleet felt that ops officers were not very relevant to the Maquis-hunting mission,like how having a counselor on board was unimportant too(Which I reckon is a bit silly since isn't the ops position important too?).It is a bit hard to believe or imagine that ALL the other ops officers were freshly out of the academy too,and that Harry was the best out of all of them.
I suppose we could rationalise it away as Harry was top his class in Operations Management or it was his specialty at the academy. Janeway seemed to have an eccentric taste in officers when picking her senior staff.
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Old November 25 2013, 05:47 PM   #206
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It would have made more sense if there had been a different Ops officer when Voyager initially left DS9, and Harry was stationed in some auxiliary station on a lower deck. Then the Caretaker's beam grabs the ship, the Ops officer is killed along with all the other guys, and Harry winds up being the only one qualified who survives. It might have added to the character a bit if he wasn't fully prepared for the job right out of the box, and could have accounted for some of his nervousness.
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Old November 25 2013, 05:47 PM   #207
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That, and we should take into account all the folks killed in the pilot.
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Old November 25 2013, 10:11 PM   #208
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Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain Janeway uses to beat some sense into Harry Kim.

She never used it, aparrently.
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Old November 26 2013, 02:49 AM   #209
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I always wondered why Kim was made part of the senior staff straight out of the academy.

If he'd come aboard as Lieutenant Kim, and we'd learnt that he'd taken an advanced officer program at the Academy or something much like Kirk appears to have done, it'd have sat better for me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tuvok receive a promotion to Lieutenant Commander around Season Three or Four? Surely they had an extra pip aboard for Kim!
Same reason Kes was part of the senior staff.
I can understand why Neelix was. He was a trader, so he knew how to negotiate with the other alien cultures and was a recognized native species of the quad. It was easier for him to find out stuff and get stuff over that of the unknown uniform officers of Voyager.
Why was Kes?
She'd never even been above ground, had no knowledge of ANYTHING out there. If they need medical knowledge, they just brought the EMH up on the computer screen.

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Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain Janeway uses to beat some sense into Harry Kim.

She never used it, aparrently.
.....and that's why Harry didn't deserve a promotion.
The military doesn't promote people unqualified just cause other officers die.
They gave the command to the hologram over him, Janeway in "Shattered" looks at Chakotay in disbelief went he called Harry a valued officer. They were telling us the whole time, Harry wasn't qualified for a promotion.
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Old November 26 2013, 03:46 AM   #210
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We saw three people promoted after the Maquis got cemented into their positions.

Tuvok, Paris and B'Elanna.

What was B'Elanna's starting rank before she leap frogged over Carey?
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