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View Poll Results: Rate The Poisoned Chalice.
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Old November 22 2013, 09:12 PM   #16
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Re: TF: The Poisoned Chalice by James Swallow Review Thread (Spoilers!

I didn't think this had been officially released yet, so I was pleasantly surprised when I saw it on sale today. I went ahead and picked it up even though I'm still reading Revelation and Dust.
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Old November 24 2013, 01:52 AM   #17
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Got my copy today.

I'm happy with this. Details as they occur to me.
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Old November 24 2013, 09:05 AM   #18
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Re: TF: The Poisoned Chalice by James Swallow Review Thread (Spoilers!

ARGH! I want to know everything there is to know about this books NOW

sorry, *wipes up drool and spittle*


there is only so many times i can keep refreshing the memory beta page in hopes that SOMEONE has put up spoilers.
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Old November 24 2013, 09:19 AM   #19
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Dammit, was told it shipped yesterday, and usually it's same day delivery. Hopefully tomorrow or tuesday then.
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Old November 24 2013, 10:53 AM   #20
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The people who have this book ARE NOT READING IT FAST ENOUGH.

I want spoilers damnit!
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Old November 24 2013, 01:52 PM   #21
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^If you're so eager to find out what's in the book, then spend the eight bucks and get your own copy.
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Old November 24 2013, 02:01 PM   #22
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^If you're so eager to find out what's in the book, then spend the eight bucks and get your own copy.
Perhaps he has, but it just hasn't arrived yet. Like mine.
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Old November 24 2013, 02:19 PM   #23
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^If you're so eager to find out what's in the book, then spend the eight bucks and get your own copy.
what the hell, i was joking around?


Has it occurred to you christopher, that maybe i haven't read the book yet because perhaps i haven't been able to actually find a copy in australia yet?

Not that i need to justify myself to you, but for your information i've got it on pre-order and i'm enjoying the fall series and just want to know what happens.

Your books are probably among my favourites of trek-lit but this comment just makes you come across as really arrogant and ignorant
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Old November 24 2013, 05:27 PM   #24
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mickmike wrote: View Post
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^If you're so eager to find out what's in the book, then spend the eight bucks and get your own copy.
what the hell, i was joking around?


Has it occurred to you christopher, that maybe i haven't read the book yet because perhaps i haven't been able to actually find a copy in australia yet?

Not that i need to justify myself to you, but for your information i've got it on pre-order and i'm enjoying the fall series and just want to know what happens.

Your books are probably among my favourites of trek-lit but this comment just makes you come across as really arrogant and ignorant
I personally find that he makes those kinds of off putting comments quite often. I too enjoy his novels, but it really irritates me. I suppose you don't have to like the person to like the stories they craft.

At least he isn't OSC dickish.
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Old November 24 2013, 09:04 PM   #25
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there is only so many times i can keep refreshing the memory beta page in hopes that SOMEONE has put up spoilers.
I'm doing exactly the same thing


To think people already have the book in their hands and I have to wait until Tuesday midnight… well… 34 hrs. and counting…


It’s just me but unlike the previous The Fall authors, I couldn’t find a promotional interview with James Swallow?
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Old November 24 2013, 11:14 PM   #26
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I finished it today. Lots of good stuff there.

Going to spoil only one thing: ice hockey has survived into the future!
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Old November 25 2013, 05:00 AM   #27
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Wondering which worlds have their own leagues...
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Old November 25 2013, 12:33 PM   #28
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I do so love it when my local bookstore has a book in early. I powered through the book this weekend and generally enjoyed it. Perhaps the best part was that <spoiler>I was right about who directly killed Bacco.</spoiler>

The book is a good setup for the endgame. It was a rousing adventure, although the Federation/Starfleet that breathed down Bashir and Dax's backs in "A Ceremony of Losses" seem pretty lackadaisical in this one despite a decent amount of bluster. For example, Starfleet repeatedly attempts to recall Titan, but the request is simply ignored (such defiance would've been met with more deliberate action in the prior story).

Also, it's pretty obvious in one situation where the powers-that-be will need to kill everyone involved (their agents even say it repeatedly), but the characters are allowed to live long enough for the situation to change. That's some classic Bond-style supervillain plotting right there (but without the frickin' sharks with lazers on their frickin' heads).

There was also something that appeared to be an inconsistency between this novel and "The Crimson Shadow." IIRC, the new Cardassian castellan has already been elected by the time the events in this novel transpire, but the election appeared to have happened "After the Fall" in Crimson Shadow. I don't think things have fallen yet, but I could be wrong.

As the book concludes, we're presented with what appears to be two conspiracies. One centered around the people who killed Bacco and the other around our heroes. Our heroes make an argument that sounds good primarily because of their status as heroes and the fact we trust them to do what's right. However, I could also picture similar words coming from nefarious figures, like Admiral Leyton from "Paradise Lost."

I suppose such things reinforce the belief that actions speak louder than words and so far our heroes appear to be acting in the right. I guess we'll see what actions are taken when "The Fall" concludes next month.
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Old November 25 2013, 12:45 PM   #29
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Wondering which worlds have their own leagues...
Andor, for sure.
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Old November 25 2013, 05:47 PM   #30
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Yeah, I could see Andorians adopting the sport once Shran or one of his contemporaries learned of it. They might have already had a variation on it, independently invented...

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