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Old November 24 2013, 11:56 PM   #16
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Re: How bitter was J. Michael Straczynski towards DS9?

To be honest, Alan Moore always seemed to be a bit... touchy when it came to his graphic novels. He apparently hates pretty much everything other people are doing with them, be it the publication of prequel comics or the making of film adaptations.

Well, if it's that important to him he just shouldn't have signed contracts allowing DC to do just this, I guess...

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Old November 25 2013, 12:32 AM   #17
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Re: How bitter was J. Michael Straczynski towards DS9?

The bottom line here is that we fans got not one, but two space station based shows to watch and enjoy.

And after twenty years, isn't THAT more important?
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Old November 25 2013, 12:34 AM   #18
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But considering JMS's conduct regarding Before Watchmen, I'll never feel too sorry for him anyway.
You mean this behavior? Where he and the other writers treated the characters created by (but not owned by) Moore with respect after Moore's repeated refusal to do so regardless of invitations by DC? Bottom line, Moore played 'dog in the manger' and had no complaint coming.

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What's to justify? I haven't seen any kind of cogent, rational rebuttal. Did you actually read any of the books at all?
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Old November 25 2013, 05:23 AM   #19
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Re: How bitter was J. Michael Straczynski towards DS9?

To be fair to Moore, he has been burnt by both the comics and movie industries, so I can see why he'd be prickly. However, when it comes to an argument about respecting the wishes of the original author (implicit or otherwise) considering what Moore chose to do with the characters of L. Frank Baum and J. M. Barrie, I rather think he gave up the moral high ground in this instance.
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Old November 25 2013, 05:54 AM   #20
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Re: How bitter was J. Michael Straczynski towards DS9?

What's Babylon 5?
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Old November 25 2013, 06:05 AM   #21
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Re: How bitter was J. Michael Straczynski towards DS9?

After the Steven Hopstaken comment, I've wondered if there was another side to the coin: if Paramount was feeding Berman and Piller ideas based on what it learned about B5's production, maybe Warner was feeding Straczynski ideas from what it learned about DS9.
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Old November 25 2013, 06:28 AM   #22
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Re: How bitter was J. Michael Straczynski towards DS9?

I can't speak on this issue specifically but, despite some interesting parallels and coincidences, they were both really their own shows and told their own stories. I actually like both shows a lot with B5 slightly edging out DS9 in terms of consistency of overall quality.
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Old November 25 2013, 06:31 AM   #23
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Re: How bitter was J. Michael Straczynski towards DS9?

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However, when it comes to an argument about respecting the wishes of the original author (implicit or otherwise) considering what Moore chose to do with the characters of L. Frank Baum and J. M. Barrie, I rather think he gave up the moral high ground in this instance.
Yup. J.K. Rowling's, too.
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Old November 25 2013, 10:29 AM   #24
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Re: How bitter was J. Michael Straczynski towards DS9?

From what I've read, Alan Moore regrets some of the decisions he has made in the past when it comes to contracts and rights. The way he tells it, as far as I can remember, is that his contract with DC Comics states that if Watchmen (or possibly V for Vendetta, I forget which) ever goes out of print, the rights will revert back to him and Dave Gibbons. However, DC Comics have made sure they've never gone out of print. OK, it means that Moore gets a nice steady income, but I think right now - given the film adaptations and streams of merchandise - he'd rather have his toys back.
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Old November 25 2013, 05:42 PM   #25
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Moore seems okay when anyone adapts stories of his that weren't about his original characters, like when Bruce Timm adapted "For the Man who has everything".
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Old November 25 2013, 05:47 PM   #26
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The poor man's DS9.
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Old November 25 2013, 06:01 PM   #27
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Re: How bitter was J. Michael Straczynski towards DS9?

Please allow me to rebuke this statement with a deliciously ambiguous quote from Majel Barrett-Roddenberry as Lady Morella in the B5 episode "Point of No Return":

"This station [Babylon 5] continues the work of my late husband"

And what did Walter Koenig once say at a Star Trek convention what his favorite episode was? "Mind War"

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Old November 26 2013, 04:03 AM   #28
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To be honest, Alan Moore always seemed to be a bit... touchy when it came to his graphic novels. He apparently hates pretty much everything other people are doing with them, be it the publication of prequel comics or the making of film adaptations.

Well, if it's that important to him he just shouldn't have signed contracts allowing DC to do just this, I guess...
I think Moore is showing his age by not being able to adjust to the changing times.
His reasoning sounds more like Grandpa Simpson yelling at clouds.
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Old November 26 2013, 04:11 AM   #29
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However, when it comes to an argument about respecting the wishes of the original author (implicit or otherwise) considering what Moore chose to do with the characters of L. Frank Baum and J. M. Barrie, I rather think he gave up the moral high ground in this instance.
Yup. J.K. Rowling's, too.
Clarify, please...
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Old November 26 2013, 04:33 AM   #30
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Well, I've only read the summarized version, but a recent (last?) League of Extraordinary Gentlemen storyline saw them dealing with an insane Chosen One/Antichrist that massacred a Wizard School reachable by Platform 9 3/4 from King's Cross Station.

ETA: Here.
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