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Old November 23 2013, 11:04 PM   #76
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The Valeyard was from between the twelfth & final incarnations (at a time they were still thinking 13 would be the limit).

But your question still holds, how many more will there be?
And another question: will we get split Doctors for Christmas? One of them who will call himself the Valeyard and who will become the series' main villain for a while?
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Old November 23 2013, 11:05 PM   #77
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It was also very handy that the anniversary/crossover came at a time just before Smith leaves, so that the next Doctor could make a cameo. So I guess now it's official -- Smith is actually the Doctor's twelfth life and Capaldi his thirteenth. Which means, given Moffat's demonstrated devotion to continuity, that the upcoming Christmas special may well explain the origins of the Valeyard.
We only know that the Valeyard is between the Thirteenth and final incarnation - but we have no idea how many exist between 13 and the last (The Curator appears to be quite a while down the line but how far - who can say)?
The Valeyard was from between the twelfth & final incarnations (at a time they were still thinking 13 would be the limit).

But your question still holds, how many more will there be?
Oh yes! Good catch.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:08 PM   #78
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We only know that the Valeyard is between the Thirteenth and final incarnation - but we have no idea how many exist between 13 and the last (The Curator appears to be quite a while down the line but how far - who can say)?
The Valeyard was from between the twelfth & final incarnations (at a time they were still thinking 13 would be the limit).

But your question still holds, how many more will there be?
Oh yes! Good catch.
The Valyard will show up when the Batman finally cleans up Gotham city once and for all.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:13 PM   #79
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It was great fun. The Doctors' solution to the Time War was great, the Dalek's own hate destroys themselves.
Anyone else notice that that's the exact same gambit used to defeat the Weeping Angels in "Blink," just on a much vaster scale? The Doctor said he's had centuries to think about what he could've done instead; maybe that's where he got the idea.


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The Valeyard was from between the twelfth & final incarnations (at a time they were still thinking 13 would be the limit).
Yes. And it was the Master who delivered that information; he most likely knew that the Valeyard split off between the Doctor's 12th and 13th lives, and just assumed "13th" meant "final" because that was the natural order of things for all Time Lords -- except himself, but he cheated.


But your question still holds, how many more will there be?
Surely the Doctor will find some way around the limit, but it won't be a given. I suspect Capaldi's Doctor's personality will be shaped by his awareness that he's the last, that the next time he dies, he's done for. I doubt he'll be given a way out of that until his final story, because it's more dramatic to make it a looming threat and wait until the last moment to resolve it -- kind of like the way the destruction of Gallifrey was treated here and in the stuff that led to here.

And I suppose it's a good question -- should we call Capaldi the Twelfth Doctor or the Thirteenth? And what do we call Hurt now? Or, for that matter, Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith? We could go in real-world order of casting, but then that would make Hurt the 12th. This is so confusing.

But anyway, thanks to what's come out in the past two weeks, we've now at least partially witnessed every one of the Doctor's regenerations except, arguably, his second.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:15 PM   #80
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Yeah, same time as we see the actual regeneration into the Curator - btw surprised nobody picked up on the “wearing a bit thin” line?
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Old November 23 2013, 11:16 PM   #81
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It was utterly brilliant and tied everything together for me without any continuity problems...


well.. there is one thing.

We are told the Daleks killed themselves completely in the crossfire.
And we know that those events were time locked.
How does that jive with what we learned about the Dalek's fate during Parting of the Ways and Stolen Earth?
So the Time War is STILL time locked, even though it ends differently than we thought?
And Dalek Caan still broke through the lock and pulled out Davros before they all blew themselves to bits?
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Surely the Doctor will find some way around the limit, but it won't be a given. I suspect Capaldi's Doctor's personality will be shaped by his awareness that he's the last

Eh? he knows he's not - that's the whole point of the scene with Tom Baker.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:17 PM   #83
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So, now that The Doctor has legitimized his (actual) Ninth Incarnation (John Hurt, The War Doctor), does that mean we can OFFICIALLY renumber Eccleston through Smith and refer to Capaldi as the Thirteenth Doctor?
I thought Moffat stated the numbers won't change. Sure the Doctor is on life number 13 after the X Mas Special but there still has only been 12 Doctors at that point (including Capaldi). John Hurt's "War Doctor" still is a warrior the polar oppostie to the others, born for war and bloodshed + he still took part in brutal battles and killed during the war up to the events of the moment.

He may be accpeted as part of them as a 1200 year old + lifespan but he will never truly be one of the Doctor's.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:18 PM   #84
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@Timelord Victorious: Dalek Caan retrieved Davros from the jaws of the Nightmare Child, during a battle in the "first year" of the war (how many years does a Time War have?). Dammit - I hate fast-moving threads! :laugh:
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It was utterly brilliant and tied everything together for me without any continuity problems...


well.. there is one thing.

We are told the Daleks killed themselves completely in the crossfire.
And we know that those events were time locked.
How does that jive with what we learned about the Dalek's fate during Parting of the Ways and Stolen Earth?
So the Time War is STILL time locked, even though it ends differently than we thought?
And Dalek Caan still broke through the lock and pulled out Davros before they all blew themselves to bits?
They happened and didn't. It might be something akin to Amy asking how she remembered the soldiers who disappeared into the crack?
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We are told the Daleks killed themselves completely in the crossfire.
And we know that those events were time locked.
How does that jive with what we learned about the Dalek's fate during Parting of the Ways and Stolen Earth?
So the Time War is STILL time locked, even though it ends differently than we thought?
And Dalek Caan still broke through the lock and pulled out Davros before they all blew themselves to bits?
Davros died during the first year of the time war, so Caan entered the time war at a point well before the events of this ep.

I'm more interested in the daleks that weren't blockading Gallifrey. Are they alive now that the moment wasn't used? Are the skaros degradations, the could've been king, the nightmare child, etc, floating around out there somewhere?
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@Timelord Victorious: Dalek Caan retrieved Davros from the jaws of the Nightmare Child, during a battle in the "first year" of the war (how many years does a Time War have?). Dammit - I hate fast-moving threads! :laugh:
Good point.

And the war had many years, since the Hurt Doctor said he fought it for a long time.
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And I suppose it's a good question -- should we call Capaldi the Twelfth Doctor or the Thirteenth? And what do we call Hurt now? Or, for that matter, Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith? We could go in real-world order of casting, but then that would make Hurt the 12th. This is so confusing.
Well, the first time someone has explicitely mentioned the Doctor's number in dialogue was in "The Name of the Doctor", so it's not as if these things really come up that often.
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Clara was actually surprisingly awesome. And the Rose "Bad Wolf" character was kind of cool as well. Would have been nice if we'd gotten Donna though as well
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He may be accpeted as part of their life but he will never truly be one of the Doctor's.
The ending of the "The Day of the Doctor" implies otherwise. Regardless the number of Doctors is moot right now and something only fanboys care about. With the eminent return of the Time Lords, there will probably be more regenerations.
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