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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old November 22 2013, 06:07 PM   #31
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

Though I always found it a little disconcerting, that's something I always liked about FC and other scenarios where the bridge viewscreen was portrayed as a holographic projection rather than an actual screen.

That said, we've seen enough instances of holographic interference that I'm not sure it's the best of ideas either.
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Old November 22 2013, 06:16 PM   #32
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

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You know, there's a similar scene near the end of Trek IV where the crew is heading towards the recently released whales. Uhura picks up the whales' transponder signal and Kirk orders, "Put it on the screen." Dr. Taylor then immediately asks, without getting any answer, "How can you do that?"

I like this little throwaway line. It suggests the technology they use for displaying visual information is a bit beyond the lenses and optical sensors we use today.
Heh. Yeah, that's good. A nice little wink to the conceit of it.
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Old November 22 2013, 07:12 PM   #33
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

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In other words, it remains hand-waving rationalization because it just doesn't make any sense.
The Klingons snuck into the Mutara Sector to recover the Bird-of-Prey "black box" and stumbled across the Enterprise's as well.
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Old November 22 2013, 07:35 PM   #34
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

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During the scene at the beginning of Star Trek IV, where they are looking at footage of the destruction of the Enterprise in that Federation courtroom or whatever it was, I always thought it was weird how it's the exact same footage we saw in Star Trek III. Just how did the Federation get this footage? Were there cameras floating around in space at the time the Enterprise self-destructed?
It was a dramatic re-creation projected by the Talosians, you silly boy.
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Old November 24 2013, 02:29 PM   #35
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

Perhaps the Grissom deployed a few communication and recording satellites before its destruction?
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Old November 24 2013, 02:34 PM   #36
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

Kirk probably submitted scan data from the Bird of Prey to Starfleet. They were on their way to the trial in TVH.
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Old November 28 2013, 04:27 AM   #37
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

maybe the klingons had tiny cameras embedded in there armor, (to track peformance during boarding actions and ensure proper credit for kills and such) and the exterior shots were visual reconstructions from the bird of prey's sensor logs...transmitted to the high council or a border station in case the ship was destroyed...I'm reaching...
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Old November 28 2013, 04:29 AM   #38
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

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I always liked the Klingon ambassador's line about how "there will be no peace between the Federation and the Klingon empire while Kirk still lives", or whatever it was he said. Though I'm not sure how that ties into the events of TUC (where Kirk is the scapegoat, but aside from being left to die on Rura Penthe there's no indication this helps peace with the Klingons), but it definitely adds a shade to TFF and Captain Klaa's eagerness to bag Kirk's head as a trophy.
The DC Comics series of the early '90s picked up on and developed this plot-thread in solid detail -- essentially, between the events of TFF and TUC, the pressure on Starfleet Command from the Klingons to extradite Kirk grows so great that he finally surrenders to Federation custody for trial (in issues #11-13 of the second series, "The Trial of Captain Kirk").

This storyline helps bridge the two movies a bit more substantively, taking up a very potential-laden plot thread from TVH (which got mostly abandoned in subsequent films, apart from Kirk getting arrested and tried for a much later "crime" in 2293; the Voyage Home charges only playing a tertiary role by that point) and exploring it close to fully (Kamarag, the Klingon Ambassador from ST IV and VI, plays a major role in the story).
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Old November 30 2013, 06:48 PM   #39
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

It's clearly Klingon surveillance footage, as they are using it as evidence against Kirk. Note there there is Klingon time code all over the footage in this scene in Trek IV.
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Old December 6 2013, 06:54 PM   #40
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

Well, clearly they're using Google Universe with its spatially diffused network of nanocam drones.

Which begs the question, why send a manned starship to explore strange new worlds?
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Old December 7 2013, 06:13 AM   #41
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

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It's clearly Klingon surveillance footage, as they are using it as evidence against Kirk. Note there there is Klingon time code all over the footage in this scene in Trek IV.
Sure...and the Klingons happened to have cameras on the Enterprise bridge so we could see them enter it for the first time.

Riiiiight.
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Old December 7 2013, 06:44 AM   #42
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

This sort of artistic license with "security" camera footage goes all the way back to the original series. In Balance of Terror, Enterprise is still able to view video of a Romulan ship from the POV of a Federation outpost, seconds after the Romulans destroy the outpost. Also, when Spock intercepts a video transmission from the Romulan ship's bridge, the "camera" somehow manages to pan and zoom in on the commander's face.

Also, in Court Martial, the Enterprise video log of the bridge is so detailed, it can zoom right in on Kirk's finger pressing the pod jettison button.
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Old December 7 2013, 08:10 AM   #43
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

This sort of artistic license is not unique to Star Trek. It's just the attempt to rationalize it that I find amusing.
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Old December 8 2013, 02:12 AM   #44
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

There's no need to rationalize what is obviously very clever futuristic face-finding/point-of-interest zooming-inning technology
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Old December 8 2013, 02:59 AM   #45
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Re: How did the Federation get footage of Star Trek III in Star Trek I

It's mostly the pan-and-zoom monitor shots that always got me. Would there not have been some written document for the shot, like say, 'Scene 89 - Monitor Shot' or something.

Then again, I suppose they don't always know how things are going to be edited together. I imagine once everything is filmed, those are pretty much the puzzle pieces you have to work with. Things will get fiddled with. Maybe that's why The Mark of Gideon has the bridge screen shot of Hodan or Krodak or whatever his name was changing scenes on the bridge screen from his talking face to suddenly showing his hand pressing the button to end the communication. I think The Cloud Minders had that effect too, with Plasus.

It's fun to watch the episode previews on the dvd's and catch incomplete or unused shots like that. Like on the Requiem for Methuselah preview, Kirk's face saying "My crew...", when in the final episode the clip has the bridge screen composied with Kirk.
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