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Old November 22 2013, 03:03 AM   #1
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About the KHAN scream.

The scream was so awkward and out of place.

Who do you think singularly came up with that idea?

My money is on Lindelof. A lot of film fans have called him a bad writer and this includes both Trek and Prometheus fans.

Do you think it was him that came up with it? I doubt it was Quinto or JJ Abrams or Orci.

I should also ask. What did most of you think of it. Did you like it, loathe it or love it when Spock pulled a Bill Shatner.
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Old November 22 2013, 03:20 AM   #2
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I should also ask. What did most of you think of it. Did you like it, loathe it or love it when Spock pulled a Bill Shatner.
When I went to see STID in the theater, there were two places where literally half the audience groaned. The first was when Cumberbatch said he was "Khan" and Spock screaming was the second.

If they needed to slip Spock saying Khan in there, they should have taken the opposite direction. We've seen Spock lose his shit already, this time he should have collapsed inward and become silent, cool and focused...uttering only a whisper "khan" before bolting upward with purpose and going after him.
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Old November 22 2013, 03:27 AM   #3
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

I hated it the first time.

I tolerated it the second time.

Over the other multiple times I came to both appreciate it and look forward to it. I like how Quinto's rage builds up under the surface of his face before he screams.
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Old November 22 2013, 03:29 AM   #4
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

It was a stroke of genius. It's unfortunate so many get caught on the act itself and ignore the color of the conceit.
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Old November 22 2013, 03:32 AM   #5
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

CorporalClegg wrote:
It's unfortunate so many get caught on the act itself and ignore the color of the conceit.
If the color of the conceit is worthy, surely it should not be a problem for the act itself to sell it.

If you're willing to go with the premise behind Spock's emotionality in the scene, the scream isn't out of place. Although set side by side with the original Khan scream I would still say Bill's version was far better delivered. I didn't mind it when I first saw it in the theatre, although I really question the dramatic premise it's based on (whether it feels "earned" and a good use or overuse of the device of breaking Vulcan reserve for effect); there's a difference between a clever conceit and a good idea. I don't know or much care whose idea it was.
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Old November 22 2013, 03:55 AM   #6
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

The reasoning behind Spock screaming doesn't even concern me as much as how comedic the final result is. Spock looks goofy when he Khans.
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Old November 22 2013, 04:06 AM   #7
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

He looks like a turtle.
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Old November 22 2013, 04:11 AM   #8
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

I see it as the breaking of Spock's control, completely. I think Quinto did a great job with a fairly awkward scene. I think I'm a lot less bothered by it than most people.
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Old November 22 2013, 04:56 AM   #9
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

^ I certainly am. Less bothered than most, that is. For my money, Quinto's Khan scream was far more emotionally convincing, viscerally real, and thematically appropriate than Shatner's was in TWOK.

ETA: The scene on its own merits worked well, I thought. In particular, the sudden cut from the scream to the Vengeance careening down through the clouds was ace.
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Old November 22 2013, 05:14 AM   #10
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

Hey, Quinto's scream works for me.

I still think The Shat-man did it better.
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Old November 22 2013, 07:19 AM   #11
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

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^ I certainly am. Less bothered than most, that is. For my money, Quinto's Khan scream was far more emotionally convincing, viscerally real, and thematically appropriate than Shatner's was in TWOK.

ETA: The scene on its own merits worked well, I thought. In particular, the sudden cut from the scream to the Vengeance careening down through the clouds was ace.
Agreed. Gave me chills even seeing it a second time.
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Old November 22 2013, 08:01 AM   #12
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

I thought it was stupid.
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Old November 22 2013, 08:56 AM   #13
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I hated it the first time.

I tolerated it the second time.

Over the other multiple times I came to both appreciate it and look forward to it. I like how Quinto's rage builds up under the surface of his face before he screams.
His rage building up is what made me uncomfortable. That was the part that it started looking like a parody and Quinto is a brilliant actor but still.

Borgboy : People were bothered by it because of how infamous it became in WOK and how it represented all of bill shatner in his glorious entity.

Personally I wish they did not put it there. For some reason it makes me so angry with the writers and even JJ Abrams who I felt should have known better.

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Old November 22 2013, 09:12 AM   #14
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

I also felt he "should have known better" when I first saw it. I was incensed. Looking back now I think I was having a real get off my lawn moment. Even though I rank XI as my favorite No. 1 absolutely adored Trek movie I still felt like JJ was appropriating sacred ground with that scream.

I'm over it now though, I'm enjoying it immensely

I guess I surprised myself as to how seriously I did take my Trek.. I don't even like TWOK very much!
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Old November 22 2013, 11:52 AM   #15
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Re: About the KHAN scream.

Comparing the "realistic-ness" of NuSpock's scream to Kirk's scream is not really possible, since Kirk's scream was a ruse - he was trying to convince Khan that he really had no way off that rock, whereas in reality he knew the Enterprise would pick him up in two hours' time.

Kirk's famous scream - was a fake!
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