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Old November 22 2013, 03:39 AM   #1
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How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

I know it was meant to be a playful joke on the writer's part, but any fan theories as to who or what this 'Vic' was in the episode 'The Emperor's New Cloak'?

Maybe Vic Fontaine was a holoprogram designed by a certain individual, a man with a liking for 60s crooners of Las Vegas. And this rebel is the MU version of the program's creator.

Maybe it is an android who was designed to look like Vic Fontaine, for some reason.

Or perhaps it is just a guy who happens to bear an uncanny resemblance to our universe's Vic?
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Old November 22 2013, 03:52 AM   #2
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

The way I figure it, Felix based the holoprogram heavily on a guy he knew named Vic Fontaine. And that's why there is also a MU Vic running around.
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Old November 22 2013, 05:21 AM   #3
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

I think mirror Vic was actually Felix himself.

IIRC, we never hear him addressed by his first name. In the regular universe, Felix could have written Vic's program based on himself, as a sort of wish fulfillment fantasy. In the mirror universe, then, Felix could have been the badass warrior that his RU counterpart was not.
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Old November 22 2013, 05:53 AM   #4
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

I thought Bashir knew Felix well enough that he would have commented on Vic being based on Felix in appearance.

I tend to think along the same lines as Tosk that he used the appearance of a guy named Fontaine. Though I would have preferred they didn't do it at all...the episode that is, not just Mirror Fontaine.
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Old November 22 2013, 06:19 AM   #5
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

That does raise a question about the ethics of creating a holoprogram based on a real person (living ones that is, presumably it's okay to create holo-Einstein's and so forth). Is it said anywhere if it's allowed or not? Presumably the 'real' Vic would have given permission for the fictional Vic to be based on him?
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Old November 22 2013, 07:15 AM   #6
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

The problem with the android idea is that it wouldn't make much sense to create a Terran android in the mirror universe. I mean, why bother, when there's so much biological slave labor?

Not like anyone in the mirror universe would have the knowledge to do it, either. Noonien Soong doesn't seem the type that would flourish there to the point of creatin' sentient androids. And the Terran Empire probably destroyed the human-type androids as possible threats before it fell in the 23rd century.

I don't think it was Felix, either, since he responded to the name "Vic" when Quark & Rom saw him in the mirror universe.

I gotta go with its the mirror universe counterpart for whoever Felix modeled Vic after for the holoprogram in the regular universe.
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Old November 22 2013, 08:04 AM   #7
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

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That does raise a question about the ethics of creating a holoprogram based on a real person (living ones that is, presumably it's okay to create holo-Einstein's and so forth). Is it said anywhere if it's allowed or not? Presumably the 'real' Vic would have given permission for the fictional Vic to be based on him?
I've no idea what the ethics of this would be in the Mirror Universe, but in the regular universe, the TNG and DS9 characters were quite displeased when they discovered themselves used as holocharacters without permission.

That seemed a bit looser in Voyager, although I've always wondered what Chakotay's reaction would have been if he'd known about Seven's holodeck fantasy version of him.
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Old November 22 2013, 02:26 PM   #8
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

I am not Spock wrote: View Post
I know it was meant to be a playful joke on the writer's part, but any fan theories as to who or what this 'Vic' was in the episode 'The Emperor's New Cloak'?

Maybe Vic Fontaine was a holoprogram designed by a certain individual, a man with a liking for 60s crooners of Las Vegas. And this rebel is the MU version of the program's creator.

Maybe it is an android who was designed to look like Vic Fontaine, for some reason.

Or perhaps it is just a guy who happens to bear an uncanny resemblance to our universe's Vic?
You have it backwards: Vic Fontaine is a real person in the mirror universe who, for some unexplained reason, has a holographic equivalent in the Trek universe.
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Old November 22 2013, 03:24 PM   #9
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

I am not Spock wrote: View Post
I know it was meant to be a playful joke on the writer's part
You had it right from the start. Best not to hurt our heads too much over this one.
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Old November 22 2013, 08:55 PM   #10
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That does raise a question about the ethics of creating a holoprogram based on a real person (living ones that is, presumably it's okay to create holo-Einstein's and so forth). Is it said anywhere if it's allowed or not? Presumably the 'real' Vic would have given permission for the fictional Vic to be based on him?
I've no idea what the ethics of this would be in the Mirror Universe, but in the regular universe, the TNG and DS9 characters were quite displeased when they discovered themselves used as holocharacters without permission.

That seemed a bit looser in Voyager, although I've always wondered what Chakotay's reaction would have been if he'd known about Seven's holodeck fantasy version of him.
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Old November 22 2013, 10:23 PM   #11
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

Using holograms to have intimate encounters with your friends and co workers is only creepy with Barclay (or presumably any man) does it. But it's sweet and hot if Seven (or presumably any attractive woman) does it.
Double standard.
Weren't there hints that the regular hologram Vic was somehow more than he should've been?
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Old November 23 2013, 12:48 AM   #12
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

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I am not Spock wrote: View Post
I know it was meant to be a playful joke on the writer's part, but any fan theories as to who or what this 'Vic' was in the episode 'The Emperor's New Cloak'?

Maybe Vic Fontaine was a holoprogram designed by a certain individual, a man with a liking for 60s crooners of Las Vegas. And this rebel is the MU version of the program's creator.

Maybe it is an android who was designed to look like Vic Fontaine, for some reason.

Or perhaps it is just a guy who happens to bear an uncanny resemblance to our universe's Vic?
You have it backwards: Vic Fontaine is a real person in the mirror universe who, for some unexplained reason, has a holographic equivalent in the Trek universe.
Yep.
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Old November 23 2013, 02:14 AM   #13
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

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Using holograms to have intimate encounters with your friends and co workers is only creepy with Barclay (or presumably any man) does it. But it's sweet and hot if Seven (or presumably any attractive woman) does it.
Double standard.
Weren't there hints that the regular hologram Vic was somehow more than he should've been?
This.

Yeah, I think it was mostly that he had become self-aware and didn't like the downtime, so that's why they kept the holosuite with him in it open after a while. The other hologram characters (in his program and elsewhere) usually weren't aware of their status as a hologram, except for that one guy in the holodeck in TNG, I think.

But yeah, I think it's just a sort of joke. Not going to overthink this one.
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Old November 23 2013, 02:48 AM   #14
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

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That does raise a question about the ethics of creating a holoprogram based on a real person (living ones that is, presumably it's okay to create holo-Einstein's and so forth). Is it said anywhere if it's allowed or not? Presumably the 'real' Vic would have given permission for the fictional Vic to be based on him?
I don't think ethics apply in the MU.

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Using holograms to have intimate encounters with your friends and co workers is only creepy with Barclay (or presumably any man) does it. But it's sweet and hot if Seven (or presumably any attractive woman) does it.
Double standard.
Weren't there hints that the regular hologram Vic was somehow more than he should've been?
Nope, only the already creepy men or did anyone not notice no women wanted to date Barclay or Geordi?
If women didn't want to date them, imagine how they felt knowing they were holographic masturbatory tools.
Oh wait, we did!
Everyone on Voyager knew Seven was experimenting with dating but after she found out Paris & The Doc were using her as a game, she was humiliated. They treated it as sweet cause they were all still embarrassed by what they did to her and how NONE of her friends came to her defense.
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Old November 23 2013, 03:23 AM   #15
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Re: How the hell is Vic Fontaine in the MU?

Lance wrote: View Post
That does raise a question about the ethics of creating a holoprogram based on a real person (living ones that is, presumably it's okay to create holo-Einstein's and so forth). Is it said anywhere if it's allowed or not? Presumably the 'real' Vic would have given permission for the fictional Vic to be based on him?
How about this then? Felix had a friend named Vic Fontaine who died under tragic circumstances. He was a massive fan of the swinging '60s, so Felix made the program as a tribute to his friend. What could be better than having him live on (ostensibly forever) in the world he loved so much?
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