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Old November 21 2013, 02:55 AM   #106
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Re: Casting a Gender-Switched Enterprise

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I'm really trying to sex up the name Jane.

I got nothing.
How about Janeway Kirk. Sort of has a ring to it.

I like Jocasta Kirk also. Jo for short.

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Not every STAR TREK character MUST be reverse-sexed. I feel that Sarek & Amanda should remain as they are, for example - with one exception: Amanda is the parent T'Spock has issues with. Amanda has unrealistic expectations of her daughter, that cause problems ... pushing T'Spock towards the relatively placid Sarek and the serenity of The Vulcan Way. There are other ways to switch genders in STAR TREK without ... switching genders.
I agree.
I can see T'Spock being Daddy's girl.
Sarek will be disappointed that Spock didn't want to settle down and marry a nice boy like Stonn instead of running off into space.

And if Spock's being played by a hot babe I think she will have different issues than male Spock. I mean Vulcan boys will still 'like' Spock while the girls will be jealous.
Thats why perhaps Spock shouldn't be played by a babe but a cool beauty.

Here's some gender-switched drawings I have in my collection:


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Old November 21 2013, 03:02 AM   #107
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Oh I definitely think T'Spock should be an ice princess. Of course, now and then we'd see her emotional side when she's in pon farr, or under some kind of influence. I'd have McCoy talk about how unhealthy it is that T'Spock represses her human side, so that when McCoy gives her grief, we understand it comes from a place of caring.
And then T'Spock's rejection of Stonn, or Pring, whatever, would be a feminist statement on independence and a rejection of the dark side of traditional marriage (female subjugation, submission, etc).
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Old November 21 2013, 04:58 AM   #108
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I don't understand why most - all (?) - of those who seem for this idea of switching genders, should be so against having any fun with the feminine energy these women would undoubtedly bring to the new series. I think having Kirk seeing Spock in the hallway, first thing in the morning, and saying something like, "Oh, I love your hair! That looks cute on you ..." kind of thing would be great. But there seems to be a lot of resistance to anything like that. .
Because Janeway and B'Elanna were always talking like that.. NOT.

That's not feminine energy, that's high school.

We had a bit of that with Bev and Troi, and I can certainly see a female heart to heart happening (yes please) between Jaime Kirk and T'Spock at some point but what you are describing is a step down for our woman, the Captain.
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Old November 21 2013, 04:59 AM   #109
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Oh I definitely think T'Spock should be an ice princess. Of course, now and then we'd see her emotional side when she's in pon farr, or under some kind of influence. I'd have McCoy talk about how unhealthy it is that T'Spock represses her human side, so that when McCoy gives her grief, we understand it comes from a place of caring.
And then T'Spock's rejection of Stonn, or Pring, whatever, would be a feminist statement on independence and a rejection of the dark side of traditional marriage (female subjugation, submission, etc).
I am in love with this idea.
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Old November 21 2013, 05:16 AM   #110
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I was kind of braced to get criticized for that, as gender issues offend some people, so I'm glad that idea gets some support.
A variation of that idea, of a female Vulcan is a major plot point in the Vanguard novel series, which is excellent. My favorite character there is T'Prynne, a really interesting female Vulcan. There are so many cool things that happen with that character, but I don't want to spoil anything.
I love the drawing above.
Not to get off topic, but Kirk in the green toga makes me wonder, is there any reason why Kirk sometimes wears that green toga shirt instead of the standard yellow shirt? Does it serve some purpose, is it supposed to be a dress shirt vs everyday shirt or something?
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Old November 21 2013, 07:10 AM   #111
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I haven't read Vanguard.

Thing is though arranged marriages may work well for their society their method for getting out of arranged marriages is illogical and barbaric and probably would cause a lot of pain. Imagine what it is like for the family of one who loses the kal-if-fee and dies. Spock is just a cog in the whole system in Amok Time, it would be great to see T'Spock taking a different tack and not silencing real issues with the word tradition.
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Old November 21 2013, 08:14 AM   #112
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I don't understand why most - all (?) - of those who seem for this idea of switching genders, should be so against having any fun with the feminine energy these women would undoubtedly bring to the new series. I think having Kirk seeing Spock in the hallway, first thing in the morning, and saying something like, "Oh, I love your hair! That looks cute on you ..." kind of thing would be great. But there seems to be a lot of resistance to anything like that. .
Because Janeway and B'Elanna were always talking like that.. NOT.

That's not feminine energy, that's high school.

We had a bit of that with Bev and Troi, and I can certainly see a female heart to heart happening (yes please) between Jaime Kirk and T'Spock at some point but what you are describing is a step down for our woman, the Captain.
When Beverley and Troi did that I thought of them as lightweights.
I worked in professional offices for many years and no-one commented on hair or makeup unless someone was obviously dressed to the nines (going on a job interview).

I can't imagine girl Kirk even saying 'cute'
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Old November 21 2013, 08:16 AM   #113
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Not to get off topic, but Kirk in the green toga makes me wonder, is there any reason why Kirk sometimes wears that green toga shirt instead of the standard yellow shirt? Does it serve some purpose, is it supposed to be a dress shirt vs everyday shirt or something?
The green wraparound was looser than the gold/avocado pullover and didn't hug Shatner's gut as much.
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Old November 21 2013, 08:38 AM   #114
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I love the green wrap around.
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Old November 21 2013, 10:47 AM   #115
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That's not feminine energy, that's high school.
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... what you are describing is a step down for our woman, the Captain.
... What?!
How dare you shoot me down?
... How dare you?!?!?!
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Old November 21 2013, 10:51 AM   #116
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I can't imagine girl Kirk even saying 'cute'
Now, listen here ...
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Old November 21 2013, 10:58 AM   #117
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Oh hey, love me some feminine energy. It's just that feminine energy doesn't always need to be cutesy. If I want to gender-switch Captain Kirk I want his female version to kick at least as much ass as Ellen Ripley -- who was still plenty feminine but never cutesy about it.
The Voice of Reason, at last - someone who actually agrees with me! Now this is what I call "good reading" ...

By the way, I thought your outline of those female VOYAGER characters summed them up, quite nicely.
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Old November 21 2013, 01:55 PM   #118
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Not to get off topic, but Kirk in the green toga makes me wonder, is there any reason why Kirk sometimes wears that green toga shirt instead of the standard yellow shirt? Does it serve some purpose, is it supposed to be a dress shirt vs everyday shirt or something?
The green wraparound was looser than the gold/avocado pullover and didn't hug Shatner's gut as much.
I'm rewatching season one, and Kirk gets shirtless fairly often, and at this point's he's fit and in his prime,and looks good shirtless. He didn't have a gut then. I also wonder if there's any explanation why in one episode Sulu is wearing the science blue shirt, and in another episode, Uhura is wearing a gold mini dress.
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Old November 21 2013, 04:06 PM   #119
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Not to get off topic, but Kirk in the green toga makes me wonder, is there any reason why Kirk sometimes wears that green toga shirt instead of the standard yellow shirt? Does it serve some purpose, is it supposed to be a dress shirt vs everyday shirt or something?
The green wraparound was looser than the gold/avocado pullover and didn't hug Shatner's gut as much.
I'm rewatching season one, and Kirk gets shirtless fairly often, and at this point's he's fit and in his prime,and looks good shirtless. He didn't have a gut then. I also wonder if there's any explanation why in one episode Sulu is wearing the science blue shirt, and in another episode, Uhura is wearing a gold mini dress.
I'm not the expert here but I heard that they changed Communications to be a part of Operations because Nichols looked better in red than in gold.
Sulu was a physicist in 'Where no Man Has Gone Before'. He changed to helm by the next episode.
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Old November 21 2013, 09:49 PM   #120
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I think having Kirk seeing Spock in the hallway, first thing in the morning, and saying something like, "Oh, I love your hair! That looks cute on you ..." kind of thing would be great. But there seems to be a lot of resistance to anything like that. .
Kirk and Spock are still supposed to be friends, right? I thought those compliments on hair/clothes/shoes/etc meant the girls HATE each other's guts
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