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Old November 20 2013, 11:04 PM   #31
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Re: Star Trek: Phase II - Kitumba

And Doubleoh is now the reason why Phase II will no longer be posting here. His constant attacks and need to hijack every single thread for his own lengthy and boring attacks and explanations make this forum not worth the effort for those of us who actually DO something in this hobby. James Cawley has said no more posting here because of the nonsense and he is the boss.

So congrats Doubleoh, you have screwed everyone here by chasing off the people who readers actually want to hear from. Not you and your attacks and constant need to prove how smart you think you are, but people with real information who actually make fan films.

So folks, if you want to find out about what is happening in Phase II you will need to go to the forums there. Here is our website. We have a new website coming in the next few months as well, or follow us on Facebook.

Phase II is done with these forums.
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Old November 20 2013, 11:30 PM   #32
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Re: Star Trek: Phase II - Kitumba

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And Doubleoh is now the reason why Phase II will no longer be posting here. His constant attacks and need to hijack every single thread for his own lengthy and boring attacks and explanations make this forum not worth the effort for those of us who actually DO something in this hobby. James Cawley has said no more posting here because of the nonsense and he is the boss.

So congrats Doubleoh, you have screwed everyone here by chasing off the people who readers actually want to hear from. Not you and your attacks and constant need to prove how smart you think you are, but people with real information who actually make fan films.

So folks, if you want to find out about what is happening in Phase II you will need to go to the forums there. Here is our website. We have a new website coming in the next few months as well, or follow us on Facebook.

Phase II is done with these forums.
Phase II is of course free to do as it wishes. You'll forgive me if I don't believe a word of it though. I have no doubt whatsoever that the minute Phase II or Axanar have a production ready to release, they will be right back here to promote them.
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Old November 20 2013, 11:36 PM   #33
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Re: Star Trek: Phase II - Kitumba

To everyone accusing each other of taking the low road, may I respectfully suggest you try taking the high road and set an example. If people are being rude and unfair they look even more so when you don't join them rasslin' in the mud.
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Old November 21 2013, 12:47 AM   #34
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I hope they reconsider and take the high road - just because of some people who can´t be polite or responsible a lot of us normal fans have to suffer. The internet can be a cruel place, you have to grow a thick skin. Just ignore the haters and mudslingers.
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Old November 21 2013, 06:47 AM   #35
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Re: Star Trek: Phase II - Kitumba

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I think you will all be pleased as "Kitumba" really is one of the best episodes, and James Cawley's final episode, so it deserves a proper treatment.

Alec
I am glad to read we will at last get to see the conclusion to Kitumba, been looking forward to see the gathering of all those klingons. X-mas can't come soon enough...

The quoted paragraph above puzzles me. Wasn't James playing Kirk in the ''Mind-sifter'' episode as well? Has it been released already, or did I miss something here?
Bixby (et al):

To offer a bit more perspective….

Half of “Mind-Sifter” takes place in “regular” TOS Trek-time on the Enterprise, while the other half of the episode takes place in the 1950s—largely in a mental hospital. The Enterprise scenes were “easy” to get; the 1950s scenes are more challenging and still need to be secured.

Although James had a busy schedule, we did manage to grab a quick “Kirk is tortured with the Klingon mind-sifter” scene that helps get our story rolling, as well as a “nice to have you home” scene with the (quickly becoming ubiquitous) “Admiral Withrow” at the close of the story.

The plan is to re-do those scenes with our new Captain Kirk, Mr. Brian Gross. He, of course, also would still need to do all the Kirk scenes in the 1950s that we have yet to shoot.

Lastly, another challenge we might need to face is possibly having to re-do many of the already-done Enterprise scenes involving Dr. McCoy. When John Kelley became unavailable for the episode shortly before the shoot, the role was filled on short notice by Mr. David Sherin. Many of the scenes on the Enterprise involve the dynamics between Mister Spock and Dr. McCoy. If there is hope to include John Kelley back into the episode now that he has become available, the amount of David Sherin footage that would need to be redone is not insignificant. David did a commendable job in the role under difficult circumstances—not only difficult as a production shoot, but difficult for Dr. McCoy as a character in light of what’s happening onboard the ship. After David’s hard work, it would be a shame to lose his performance. (Personally, I think our fans would just roll with the punches—like they have with a Lieutenant Saavik played by two different actresses--or our own series of three Mister Spocks. I don’t really think it’s a bug; it’s a feature.)

“Mind-Sifter” seems to have achieved some level of popularity with fans familiar with Shirley Maiewski’s short story from when it appeared in the old Star Trek: The New Voyages anthology book by Bantam Books. But I think seeing the story play out more closely to what the author intended, rather than how the story ended up after being revised by the book’s editors, will also be a treat. Teleplay writer Patty Wright also injected some (necessary) scenes on her own that make the story even more interesting and compelling. (Candidly, further subtle script tweaking might be necessary if roles are now to be assumed by different actors.) But I think just about everyone at Phase II is proud (and eager!) to get the episode finished and out the door for people to enjoy. We just have lots of competing organizational priorities, and we can’t do everything all at once—which is actually not all the horrible a position to be in.
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Old November 21 2013, 07:10 AM   #36
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Re: Star Trek: Phase II - Kitumba

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doubleohfive: I don't appreciate my private Facebook messages to you being posted like that on the Trek BBS. Those were sent to you as a courtesy and should be respected as such.
Noted. You are of course, quite right and I do apologize. However at the time Alec's assertions were being broadcast for one and all to see, I felt it was my only recourse to prove my point. As the original posts in question had been deleted, there was no way to reference them, either. To my knowledge messages on Facebook don't fall under any privacy rules here on this BBS, however I will promise not to share any future communications with you this way again.
doubleohfive:

This is a reminder (admonishment?) that the TrekBBS board has the following rule (available in our FAQ file):

“Privacy Issue - Private Messages, Chat Logs, Names, etc.

“On the internet, a person's privacy is very valuable. Unless a poster has made it clear they don't mind, you can't post any details of their real-life identity on the board. You also cannot post material such as chat logs, emails, private messages or messages from other message boards - without the consent of all involved parties.”

(I think this rule was written before the advent of Facebook and Twitter, but I think few would argue that the Rule should be construed as not applying to Facebook posts and Twitter tweets.)

For what it's worth, in the "unless a poster has made it clear they don't mind" category, folks have standing permission to repost any comments I make in any forums or message boards (and, yes, to include Facebook and Twitter) without first securing further permission from me. (I always write for the record unless I (rarely) explicitly include some kind of "not to be quoted" disclaimer.
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Old November 21 2013, 07:28 AM   #37
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Re: Star Trek: Phase II - Kitumba

just out of curiosity, are there no moderators on this forum anymore? i feel a lot of "drama / off topic" posts that have been happening would be solved by this, and not chase fan films away...


on topic. I am so excited to see Kitumbra, i saw the two parts that were posted a few months back and drooling to see the rest. it'll be worth the wait, even more so in 2k HD!
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Old November 21 2013, 07:38 AM   #38
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doubleohfive: I don't appreciate my private Facebook messages to you being posted like that on the Trek BBS. Those were sent to you as a courtesy and should be respected as such.
Noted. You are of course, quite right and I do apologize. However at the time Alec's assertions were being broadcast for one and all to see, I felt it was my only recourse to prove my point. As the original posts in question had been deleted, there was no way to reference them, either. To my knowledge messages on Facebook don't fall under any privacy rules here on this BBS, however I will promise not to share any future communications with you this way again.
doubleohfive:

This is a reminder (admonishment?) that the TrekBBS board has the following rule (available in our FAQ file):

“Privacy Issue - Private Messages, Chat Logs, Names, etc.

“On the internet, a person's privacy is very valuable. Unless a poster has made it clear they don't mind, you can't post any details of their real-life identity on the board. You also cannot post material such as chat logs, emails, private messages or messages from other message boards - without the consent of all involved parties.”

(I think this rule was written before the advent of Facebook and Twitter, but I think few would argue that the Rule should be construed as not applying to Facebook posts and Twitter tweets.)

For what it's worth, in the "unless a poster has made it clear they don't mind" category, folks have standing permission to repost any comments I make in any forums or message boards (and, yes, to include Facebook and Twitter) without first securing further permission from me. (I always write for the record unless I (rarely) explicitly include some kind of "not to be quoted" disclaimer.
Noted. My logic on the matter is as stated above, up to and including the fact that Captain Atkin is a public figure in the fan film community. As stated previously, Alec was leveling false information here that impugned my character and as the posts proving it had been deleted by Captain Atkin himself, my only proof lay in those messages. I understand that the "no private messages" rule now applies not just to TrekBBS but to all websites and I have promised not to do this again.

You can expect a PM from me about other matters pertaining to this thread.
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Old November 21 2013, 07:45 AM   #39
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Re: Star Trek: Phase II - Kitumba

Just to clarify a point....

I think James Cawley admonished us Phase II team mates from any more public rants and contributing to any flame wars. I don't think it was some kind of general prohibition on people from Phase II ever posting on the TrekBBS board--well, unless of course, the postings are always public rants and or flame wars, in which case, I guess the member is indirectly being instructed to never post here. (If there actually was some kind of "no more posting of any kind on TrekBBS" memo that went out to the Phase II team members, James Cawley elected not to include me in the distribution list.

I think sometimes members' gruffness is perceived as an attack when it's actually simply a "not-incredibly-flawless-and-absolutely-perfectly-respectful and polite" disagreement.

"The sky is medium blue."
"Well, I think the sky is actually light blue."
"How dare you attack me and my position like that!"

No doubt actual comments on this board are less "cut and dried" than the above example. But not only are members always encouraged to "don't poke the bear" with their comments, members are also encouraged to, well, be people, instead of bears. No trolls or bears allowed, please!


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And Doubleoh is now the reason why Phase II will no longer be posting here. His constant attacks and need to hijack every single thread for his own lengthy and boring attacks and explanations make this forum not worth the effort for those of us who actually DO something in this hobby. James Cawley has said no more posting here because of the nonsense and he is the boss.

So congrats Doubleoh, you have screwed everyone here by chasing off the people who readers actually want to hear from. Not you and your attacks and constant need to prove how smart you think you are, but people with real information who actually make fan films.

So folks, if you want to find out about what is happening in Phase II you will need to go to the forums there. Here is our website. We have a new website coming in the next few months as well, or follow us on Facebook.

Phase II is done with these forums.
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Old November 21 2013, 08:00 AM   #40
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for some reason the bears comment reminded me of this snl skit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbdhSoPR0X0

maybe we should all let this bad blood go? and again I ask are there no longer mods on this forum?
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Old November 21 2013, 08:16 AM   #41
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Re: Star Trek: Phase II - Kitumba

Yes, you can scroll down to the very bottom of the front page of the "Fan Productions" forum screen (well, all of the individual forum screens, for that matter), to find out who the TrekBBS moderation staff is for that forum.

In this case, there is just one moderator--Yours Truly. I regret and apologize that I haven't been able to help to squelch any forum craziness more promptly.

Folks obviously notice the logical incongruity between the goofy claim that "Phase II will never post here again" and the competing notion that "the Moderator is the Co-Executive Producer of Star Trek Phase II." I'm always mindful of the two different hats I wear, and I try to do justice to both of my two types of constituencies. Other than the obvious "please respond more promptly," I welcome feedback on my performance.


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just out of curiosity, are there no moderators on this forum anymore? i feel a lot of "drama / off topic" posts that have been happening would be solved by this, and not chase fan films away...


on topic. I am so excited to see Kitumbra, i saw the two parts that were posted a few months back and drooling to see the rest. it'll be worth the wait, even more so in 2k HD!
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Old November 21 2013, 08:38 AM   #42
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Re: Star Trek: Phase II - Kitumba

Oh look! My screen name comes up in green instead of white like everybody else's! I wonder why!

I don't know whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that my posts are unrecognizable as moderation.

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and again I ask are there no longer mods on this forum?
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Old November 21 2013, 09:08 AM   #43
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oh duh, can't believe i missed that. I'm going to send you a PM rather than derail this topic.
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Old November 21 2013, 11:10 AM   #44
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Loken wrote: View Post
And Doubleoh is now the reason why Phase II will no longer be posting here. His constant attacks and need to hijack every single thread for his own lengthy and boring attacks and explanations make this forum not worth the effort for those of us who actually DO something in this hobby. James Cawley has said no more posting here because of the nonsense and he is the boss.

So congrats Doubleoh, you have screwed everyone here by chasing off the people who readers actually want to hear from. Not you and your attacks and constant need to prove how smart you think you are, but people with real information who actually make fan films.

So folks, if you want to find out about what is happening in Phase II you will need to go to the forums there. Here is our website. We have a new website coming in the next few months as well, or follow us on Facebook.

Phase II is done with these forums.
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Bixby (et al):

To offer a bit more perspective….

Half of “Mind-Sifter” takes place in “regular” TOS Trek-time on the Enterprise, while the other half of the episode takes place in the 1950s—largely in a mental hospital. The Enterprise scenes were “easy” to get; the 1950s scenes are more challenging and still need to be secured.

Although James had a busy schedule, we did manage to grab a quick “Kirk is tortured with the Klingon mind-sifter” scene that helps get our story rolling, as well as a “nice to have you home” scene with the (quickly becoming ubiquitous) “Admiral Withrow” at the close of the story.

The plan is to re-do those scenes with our new Captain Kirk, Mr. Brian Gross. He, of course, also would still need to do all the Kirk scenes in the 1950s that we have yet to shoot.

Lastly, another challenge we might need to face is possibly having to re-do many of the already-done Enterprise scenes involving Dr. McCoy. When John Kelley became unavailable for the episode shortly before the shoot, the role was filled on short notice by Mr. David Sherin. Many of the scenes on the Enterprise involve the dynamics between Mister Spock and Dr. McCoy. If there is hope to include John Kelley back into the episode now that he has become available, the amount of David Sherin footage that would need to be redone is not insignificant. David did a commendable job in the role under difficult circumstances—not only difficult as a production shoot, but difficult for Dr. McCoy as a character in light of what’s happening onboard the ship. After David’s hard work, it would be a shame to lose his performance. (Personally, I think our fans would just roll with the punches—like they have with a Lieutenant Saavik played by two different actresses--or our own series of three Mister Spocks. I don’t really think it’s a bug; it’s a feature.)

“Mind-Sifter” seems to have achieved some level of popularity with fans familiar with Shirley Maiewski’s short story from when it appeared in the old Star Trek: The New Voyages anthology book by Bantam Books. But I think seeing the story play out more closely to what the author intended, rather than how the story ended up after being revised by the book’s editors, will also be a treat. Teleplay writer Patty Wright also injected some (necessary) scenes on her own that make the story even more interesting and compelling. (Candidly, further subtle script tweaking might be necessary if roles are now to be assumed by different actors.) But I think just about everyone at Phase II is proud (and eager!) to get the episode finished and out the door for people to enjoy. We just have lots of competing organizational priorities, and we can’t do everything all at once—which is actually not all the horrible a position to be in.
A tweak to your clarifications - the Admiral Withrow scene is actually "they tell me you are well enough to go back to work, prove it to me". It includes some of a very long talky scene with Spock and McCoy from Shirley's original. I wrote it with Kirk being so flippant he was almost insubordinate "just let me get back to my ship already". James played it so heavy, however, I was shaking and crying by the time they yelled cut.

Which bears to what Greg also mentioned. I wrote this script to showcase James' incredible range as an actor - tailoring it specifically to him. So, with Brian taking over the role, I am rewriting the Kirk scenes to better fit Brian.

I only added two scenes to Shirley's story...the Admiral scene and one other, required to shorten the timeline to less than the 2 1/2 years Shirley originally wrote. I also included an element Shirley forgot about, and was rather annoyed she did when I pointed it out to her. Other than that, folks should recognize Shirley's story as intact...James' promise to her, and my promise to her family. (her grandson was slated to appear in the episode)

Here are the two scenes already released. One McCoy/Spock scene (which illustrates what Greg said) and a piece of the torture scene (with big chunks missing to remove extra spoilers)

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