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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old November 19 2013, 05:57 PM   #16
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

And don't forget, we had Star Trek: The Experience during that time, too! I was in geek heaven when I went there...I think it was late 1990s or early 2000's. I was so sad when I went there a few months ago and took the monorail to the Hilton (now LVH), and saw a sad and ignored Star Trek emblem from that period on the outside wall as the tram came to a stop. I walked in, and there were empty and dark rooms where the Experience used to be. Nothing was replaced, just empty. It made me sad. In the distance, the sound of slot machines. I played a few hands of Pai Gow poker, took a loss, then left the same way I came pondering on all that had been lost. At least I have a bottle of Romulan Ale left to remember my first trip!
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Old November 19 2013, 06:44 PM   #17
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I also had the feeling that the release of First Contact was the climax of Star Trek. And First Contact celebrated that with fun, combining references to the most popular/memorable items of the TV shows, getting back to the central element of the Trek/Federation mythology, and had an entirely different, fresh style. And I remember articles about it praising the hell out of it, calling the space battle the best one on the big screen since Return of the Jedi. It did what Abrams & Co always talked about with ease. First Contact is the film I watch with people to introduce them to Trek.


Someone needs to go back in time and seed the idea of an Avengers style movie series. A TNG film, a DS9 film, a VOY film, and then a film that combines all of that in an epic story.
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Old November 19 2013, 09:23 PM   #18
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i realised just how big Trek had become when i went into my local newsagent and saw some Star Trek First Contact chocolate bars
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Old November 19 2013, 09:47 PM   #19
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

I actually had Kirk's death (and not just one death, but two!) spoiled for me when I was in line at a grocery store early in the fall of 1994, many weeks before the film premiered. A major national tabloid had published spoilers about the movie and plastered pictures of Kirk and other characters across their cover for that week's issue.

I had heard rumors about this being Shatner's last adventure as Kirk and the possibility that he'd die in the new film and I knew that tabloids can get details wrong and deliberately exaggerate others, so while I wasn't sure if Kirk indeed died in Generations but I was at peace with his demise if it would indeed turn out to be true. It was just a matter of time before we saw Shatner's last portrayal of Kirk (the character's death or otherwise) and the passing of the torch to the 24th century crews.
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Old November 19 2013, 09:56 PM   #20
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cooleddie74 wrote: View Post

I had heard rumors about this being Shatner's last adventure as Kirk and the possibility that he'd die in the new film and I knew that tabloids can get details wrong and deliberately exaggerate others, so while I wasn't sure if Kirk indeed died in Generations but I was at peace with his demise if it would indeed turn out to be true. It was just a matter of time before we saw Shatner's last portrayal of Kirk (the character's death or otherwise) and the passing of the torch to the 24th century crews.
I was fine with the idea of passing the torch, but very unhappy with the execution.
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Old November 19 2013, 09:58 PM   #21
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

As long as Chris Pine's Kirk can avoid creaky metal bridges in craggy, rocky desert environments he should be just fine.
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Old November 20 2013, 10:05 PM   #22
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Nineteen years? Nineteen years! I feel old!
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Old November 21 2013, 10:32 PM   #23
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For all its flaws, the biggest problem with Generations was how emotionally "flat" the losses of Kirk and the Enterprise felt. If they could've given those two bits more emotional "oomph", I think the film would be remembered much more fondly.

Makes me sad that it was the only time we get to see a Galaxy-class starship on the big-screen.
They forgot that the Enterprise herself was a character, and to have Picard just say, "Oh well, we all know we'll get an even better ship for Christmas!" was an absolute insult. If the crew doesn't even care about their ship, why should I? Maybe that's why I never got into the Enterprise E.
An INSULT?! Oh come on.
And that's at the end of the film, after they'd already insulted the audience's intelligence with the story.
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Old November 21 2013, 10:45 PM   #24
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I won't argue that the 1701-D was used to maximum effect and benefit in Generations and her destruction was likely just another "bang-pow-zowie-that's awesome" moment designed to get eyeballs into theaters (why else spoil the ship's destruction in a couple of the trailers before the film even premiered?), but I wouldn't say she was treated in an insulting manner. She wasn't given the affection nor time she deserved on the big screen but I think it was more a case of wanting to focus on the final adventure of James T. Kirk and on Picard's emotional chaos over losing his family members and feeling unfulfilled and empty because he doesn't have a wife and children of his own.

The final moments where Picard and Riker reflect on the meaning of life and the passage of time were beautiful and some of the best moments in the entire film. I wish the Enterprise-D had been in at least one more film but I don't think she was disrespected. Picard and Riker seemed to genuinely regret and mourn the loss of their ship and at least part of the vessel survived until the very end of the movie so we could see that great bridge set one last time.
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Old November 22 2013, 04:31 AM   #25
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I remember being very excited to see the film. I was fourteen and dragged my parents to the theater. They... tolerated the Movie. I loved it!
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Old November 22 2013, 06:27 AM   #26
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It's easy to forget how huge ST genuinely was in 1994-96. It was literally everywhere, and it seemed to to me that it was resonating with an audience beyond even the hardcore fanbase. I think it probably had a 'cultural cache' that was bigger at that point in time that it has had at any other point, before or since.
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Old November 22 2013, 03:40 PM   #27
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I stumbled over this trailer, and - while I like Star Trek - I can understand why some people don't care for it.



The first 30 seconds tease a mysterious, moody, hard scifi film. I really like this. But then... it becomes Star Trek. Meh.
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Old November 23 2013, 01:02 AM   #28
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

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I won't argue that the 1701-D was used to maximum effect and benefit in Generations and her destruction was likely just another "bang-pow-zowie-that's awesome" moment designed to get eyeballs into theaters (why else spoil the ship's destruction in a couple of the trailers before the film even premiered?), but I wouldn't say she was treated in an insulting manner. She wasn't given the affection nor time she deserved on the big screen but I think it was more a case of wanting to focus on the final adventure of James T. Kirk and on Picard's emotional chaos over losing his family members and feeling unfulfilled and empty because he doesn't have a wife and children of his own.

The final moments where Picard and Riker reflect on the meaning of life and the passage of time were beautiful and some of the best moments in the entire film. I wish the Enterprise-D had been in at least one more film but I don't think she was disrespected. Picard and Riker seemed to genuinely regret and mourn the loss of their ship and at least part of the vessel survived until the very end of the movie so we could see that great bridge set one last time.
I do think the ship was "disrespected" to a degree, by one really stupid factor: the Bird of Prey. Shields or no shields, having the E-D get taken down by that dinky little thing was just weird.

And that said: Quite frankly, I might be able to go ok, weird but maybe I can buy it, if it weren't for the out-of-universe explanation for why they didn't give the Duras sisters a battleship: they realized they could save money by reusing the explosion footage from TUC if they made the ship a BoP. That is just too lame for words. The E-D gets taken down by the starship equivalent of a mosquito so the producers could cheap out on effects. That's pretty unsatisfying (to say nothing of the fact that, after that drawn-out battle scene, having the enemy ship explosion being recycled footage from a previous movie was unsatisfying in and of itself!).

Still, bittersweet though it is due to the ship's demise, seeing what remains to this day my favorite Trek ship design flying about on the big screen was amazing. The film was certainly heavily flawed (the plot was a mess, especially everything about the nexus ), but I've always regarded it fondly anyway. It felt very grand and epic, partially because of the excellent music as previously noted, but also because of one particular element that I feel has never been equaled: the ship cinematography. There were a lot of really interesting, "non-standard" shots of ship movements, i.e. extreme close-ups and shots from different angles, ships flying into the camera, etc., that in the TV shows (and even in the other movies) would usually have just been "standard" side or front-on views from a comfortable distance. Really love that aspect of GEN.

As for Kirk: I understand that a lot of people were dissatisfied with how he died, but I never had much of a problem with that. He dies to help save millions of people, none of whom will ever know his name or that he saved them, because it was the right thing to do. Seemed very Kirk-ian to me.
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Old November 23 2013, 01:03 AM   #29
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that opening 30 seconds of the trailer does sound like a really great dark 2001 type SF movie (like Interstellar will hopefully be)

i think the FC teaser also started out with something similar...made you think it was a stand alone SF film (in this case another ID4 type alien invasion type movie)...you can imagine audiences going 'oh cool another alien invasion movie!'... then...'oh...star trek...'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYwOCRxOLM

regarding Generations, the teaser trailer has the same opening as the main one - but it then really gave the impression it would be a Yesterdays Enterprise style tale with Kirk on board the Enterprise D (complete with the FX shots from the tv show)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV8us...eature=related
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Old November 23 2013, 01:29 AM   #30
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Happy 19th birthday, Generations movie -- and happy 21st birthday, shot of the Klingon ship exploding.
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