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Old November 16 2013, 12:13 AM   #481
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I agree. Some things like naming patterns SHOULD be different from the Federation Starfleet. I liked NX-class. Even if they went with a name, they would've named the class after its prototype, not a captain.

I do wish they'd come up with some class name for the Intrepid. Maybe NS or NC. Maybe not even something starting with an N.
It's not that I had a real heartache with it. But being a 30 year Navy guy I know how ships are numbered. It's just a little off to have an entire class as "experimental".

I agree, Enterprise and the NX-01 touched base with real NASA more than any other series.
Who said the entire class was experimental? I think you may be confusing "NX", which is the class name that Earth starships Enterprise and Columbia belonged to, and "NX", which is the registry prefix given to class prototypes by the Federation Starfleet.
NX was the prefix for the Excelsior (NX-2000) in ST:III, before it changed to NCC-2000 by ST:VI.
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Old November 16 2013, 01:27 AM   #482
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It's not that I had a real heartache with it. But being a 30 year Navy guy I know how ships are numbered. It's just a little off to have an entire class as "experimental".

I agree, Enterprise and the NX-01 touched base with real NASA more than any other series.
Who said the entire class was experimental? I think you may be confusing "NX", which is the class name that Earth starships Enterprise and Columbia belonged to, and "NX", which is the registry prefix given to class prototypes by the Federation Starfleet.
NX was the prefix for the Excelsior (NX-2000) in ST:III, before it changed to NCC-2000 by ST:VI.
It was also the prefix for the defiant, NX-74205. Not that it matters as much in trek, but NX stands for Naval Experiment, and NCC stands for Naval Contruction Contract.
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Old November 16 2013, 03:17 PM   #483
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NX stands for Naval Experiment, and NCC stands for Naval Contruction Contract.
That's never been proven, anywhere in Trek.
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Old November 16 2013, 07:29 PM   #484
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NX stands for Naval Experiment, and NCC stands for Naval Contruction Contract.
That's never been proven, anywhere in Trek.
Hence the Not that it matters much in trek. I was refering to real world.

Edit: To clarify, I don't know that the Navy actually refers to the contract as an NCC or uses it in any form of registry or identification number, other than the actual contract to build a vessel or other naval project. My understanding is that someone somewhere in trek production came up with the idea that the NCC registry could be based on the same concept, though far more literally than in real world. I've heard that it has been stated in a novel, but I don't know if the orignal idea came from a legit producer or not, and if so, if that was the original intent when TOS was first created or if it came later to explain why they may have used NCC.
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Old November 16 2013, 08:15 PM   #485
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Got my BoP and NX-01 today. A bit later than I thought I would. Was thinking earlier in the week, but alas I got 'em. Really impressed with the NX. Awesome Aztek paint job. BoP ain't bad either. Kind of wished the torpedo launcher was done differently. Would have been cool if it had colored piece of plastic in there. Green or Red. Saw a pic on the FB page where someone shot a green pointer laser in the there and took a pic. Pretty cool effect.
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Old November 17 2013, 12:19 AM   #486
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NX stands for Naval Experiment, and NCC stands for Naval Contruction Contract.
This is not where NCC and NX come from.

It comes from aircraft licenses. Gene Roddenberry was a pilot. From SuperCub.com:

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"1919 = The Convention for the Regulation of Air Navigation, as part of the October 1919 Peace Conference, created the system of international identification still in use that sets the first letter(s) as country of origin: N for United States, D for Germany, G for Great Britain, SE for Sweden, etc. This system was in use for seven years before it was formally ratified by our government.

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1926 = In May the first real attempt at organization came with the federal Air Commerce Act that went into effect in January 1927. In this system a class letter C, S, or P was to be added, denoting Commercial, State, or Private. C specified approved (airworthy) airplanes used in commerce and the air mail, but this was amended in 1930 to include any aircraft meeting minimum government airworthiness requirements regardless of its use. S was for state- or federal-owned planes, with most all states requiring aircraft operated within their boundaries to bear an NC number (Oregon, where much flying activity took place, was a notable exception), but this was dropped in 1937. P only lasted until March 1927 to sort out private aircraft from C and S (no example of an NP designation was located). A limit of five numbers seemed adequate at the time for present and future aircraft, but these were all taken by 1929!

1929 = A new plan was to approve three numerals, and a suffix: E, H, K, M, N, V, W or Y. Not surprisingly, these new blocks were used up by the end of 1934.

Class prefixes R and X for Restricted and Experimental aircraft were established. A class prefix of G identified Gliders until it was canceled in 1937, with sailplanes and gliders placed the same bag as powered aircraft. The use of the letter N was optional at this time for aircraft flown within the nation's boundaries."
I can't remember where I read it, but Gene decided to use NCC, taking the NC and adding an additional "C" to it. And NX, well... NX...

I believe it was The Making of Star Trek by Stephen E. Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry.

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Old November 17 2013, 07:26 AM   #487
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NX stands for Naval Experiment, and NCC stands for Naval Contruction Contract.
This is not where NCC and NX come from.

It comes from aircraft licenses. Gene Roddenberry was a pilot. From SuperCub.com:

SuperCub.com wrote:
"1919 = The Convention for the Regulation of Air Navigation, as part of the October 1919 Peace Conference, created the system of international identification still in use that sets the first letter(s) as country of origin: N for United States, D for Germany, G for Great Britain, SE for Sweden, etc. This system was in use for seven years before it was formally ratified by our government.

[...]

1926 = In May the first real attempt at organization came with the federal Air Commerce Act that went into effect in January 1927. In this system a class letter C, S, or P was to be added, denoting Commercial, State, or Private. C specified approved (airworthy) airplanes used in commerce and the air mail, but this was amended in 1930 to include any aircraft meeting minimum government airworthiness requirements regardless of its use. S was for state- or federal-owned planes, with most all states requiring aircraft operated within their boundaries to bear an NC number (Oregon, where much flying activity took place, was a notable exception), but this was dropped in 1937. P only lasted until March 1927 to sort out private aircraft from C and S (no example of an NP designation was located). A limit of five numbers seemed adequate at the time for present and future aircraft, but these were all taken by 1929!

1929 = A new plan was to approve three numerals, and a suffix: E, H, K, M, N, V, W or Y. Not surprisingly, these new blocks were used up by the end of 1934.

Class prefixes R and X for Restricted and Experimental aircraft were established. A class prefix of G identified Gliders until it was canceled in 1937, with sailplanes and gliders placed the same bag as powered aircraft. The use of the letter N was optional at this time for aircraft flown within the nation's boundaries."
I can't remember where I read it, but Gene decided to use NCC, taking the NC and adding an additional "C" to it. And NX, well... NX...

I believe it was The Making of Star Trek by Stephen E. Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry.
All I know is that the first time I saw Trek in the late '70s during the '78 syndication run of TOS, even as a kid under 10 years old, I was confused as to the NCC designation as I was somewhat familiar with the NC designation. (My neighbor was into building plastic models of Naval Warships)
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Old November 18 2013, 10:37 PM   #488
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Got issues 3 and 4 today! I must say I'm very impressed with the quality of both. The right nacelle of my NX-01 was broken off the pylon, but it was nothing a little superglue couldn't fix. It wasn't broken per se, but it looks like it wasn't properly glued in the first place and just fell off. I also got a free Borg cube poster since my October shipment was late.
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Old November 19 2013, 12:02 AM   #489
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Yep, I got mine on Saturday. I continue to be astonished at the quality of these models. I was especially impressed with the Bird-of-Prey. It almost looks as good as the original full-sized ILM model.
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Old November 19 2013, 12:33 AM   #490
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Got issues 3 and 4 today! I must say I'm very impressed with the quality of both. The right nacelle of my NX-01 was broken off the pylon, but it was nothing a little superglue couldn't fix. It wasn't broken per se, but it looks like it wasn't properly glued in the first place and just fell off. I also got a free Borg cube poster since my October shipment was late.
They are very customer minded in my experience, I'd email them and ask for a replacement.

I received my BOP and NX-01. I remain impressed with the quality and detail. The magazines are suprisingly well done as well.
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Old November 19 2013, 12:37 AM   #491
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Who said the entire class was experimental? I think you may be confusing "NX", which is the class name that Earth starships Enterprise and Columbia belonged to, and "NX", which is the registry prefix given to class prototypes by the Federation Starfleet.
NX was the prefix for the Excelsior (NX-2000) in ST:III, before it changed to NCC-2000 by ST:VI.
It was also the prefix for the defiant, NX-74205. Not that it matters as much in trek, but NX stands for Naval Experiment, and NCC stands for Naval Contruction Contract.
I had no problem with "NX" as the Enterprise was the first Warp 5 vessel. I think they screwed the pooch when Columbia was designated "NX-02". I think by then they should have redesignated them and made a "class".

Something like the Archer Class NCC-01 - Enterprise and NCC-02 being the Columbia.
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Old November 19 2013, 12:43 AM   #492
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Got issues 3 and 4 today! I must say I'm very impressed with the quality of both. The right nacelle of my NX-01 was broken off the pylon, but it was nothing a little superglue couldn't fix. It wasn't broken per se, but it looks like it wasn't properly glued in the first place and just fell off. I also got a free Borg cube poster since my October shipment was late.
They are very customer minded in my experience, I'd email them and ask for a replacement.

I received my BOP and NX-01. I remain impressed with the quality and detail. The magazines are suprisingly well done as well.
Could you give some info on the magazines?
Mostly artwork/photos? More text?

Anything new or is it a rehash of stuff we've all seen before? Details based on previous sources or original?

I have many questions...
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Old November 19 2013, 12:55 AM   #493
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Got issues 3 and 4 today! I must say I'm very impressed with the quality of both. The right nacelle of my NX-01 was broken off the pylon, but it was nothing a little superglue couldn't fix. It wasn't broken per se, but it looks like it wasn't properly glued in the first place and just fell off. I also got a free Borg cube poster since my October shipment was late.
They are very customer minded in my experience, I'd email them and ask for a replacement.

I received my BOP and NX-01. I remain impressed with the quality and detail. The magazines are suprisingly well done as well.
Could you give some info on the magazines?
Mostly artwork/photos? More text?

Anything new or is it a rehash of stuff we've all seen before? Details based on previous sources or original?

I have many questions...
You can read the first issue for free on the website if you sign up for the free website trial:

http://startrekonline.eaglemoss.com/default.aspx#1

There are also some pics at Knoxville Fleet Yard Blog.
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Old November 19 2013, 12:55 AM   #494
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SchwEnt wrote: View Post
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Got issues 3 and 4 today! I must say I'm very impressed with the quality of both. The right nacelle of my NX-01 was broken off the pylon, but it was nothing a little superglue couldn't fix. It wasn't broken per se, but it looks like it wasn't properly glued in the first place and just fell off. I also got a free Borg cube poster since my October shipment was late.
They are very customer minded in my experience, I'd email them and ask for a replacement.

I received my BOP and NX-01. I remain impressed with the quality and detail. The magazines are suprisingly well done as well.
Could you give some info on the magazines?
Mostly artwork/photos? More text?

Anything new or is it a rehash of stuff we've all seen before? Details based on previous sources or original?

I have many questions...
I'm kind of a newbee at this trek collection stuff. So I'm not one that has the TNG techmanual or anything like that.

So if it's "new", I'm not sure. I'm just very impressed with the layout and all the information.
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Old November 19 2013, 12:57 AM   #495
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You can read the first issue for free on the website if you sign up for the free website trial:

http://startrekonline.eaglemoss.com/default.aspx#1

There are also some pics at Knoxville Fleet Yard Blog.
I was just going to go look around and find that. Good thing I caught your post first.

Very nice I think.
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