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Old November 17 2013, 09:33 PM   #631
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

Serialization and continuity in shows like Bones, Fringe, etc. doesn't operate in the same fashion as it does on shows like DS9, B5, or BSG where there's direct week-to-week/episode-to-episode carry-over. Most 'Serialized Procedural'-type shows operate on the concept of setting up ongoing/recurrent storylines and character arcs that may not directly carry over from episode to episode but are revisited over the course of a season or multiple seasons, which is a pattern that Voyager very much utilizes.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:44 PM   #632
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

Serialized = carry over.

Episodic = No carry over.

It's that simple.

The difference between Scorpion connecting with the Gift, or Day of Honor connecting with revulsion, with every other epiosde underlines exactly how stand alone these stories really were.

Continuity = Stuff form yore reasserts or even flitters.

Your (most inextreme) definition of Continuity = Look it's a Borg story with more Borg, therefore conitnuity! As long as there's a new Borg story every now and then, it proves that there has always been Borg.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:51 PM   #633
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

I still disagree with the term 'serialized procedural' when applied to Voyager, but even more troubled that it's being compared to programs that didn't appear until 10 or more years after its premiere. Voyager is an episodic show, certainly not to the extent of TOS, but it does have a casual sense of continuity with isolated events. that are occasionally referenced. A plot point in Episode A might be referenced in Episode D, and so forth. The introduction of Seven began a Borg arc within the show, delivered in bits and pieces, until the finale.

I'm mostly familiar with the term serialization as it applies to daytime soap operas, and I don't see Voyager anywhere near that level.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:55 PM   #634
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^ If you don't like comparisons between Voyager, Bones, and Fringe, compare it to The X-Files and Homicide: Life on the Street instead, because they utilize continuity in the same way as Voyager, Bones, and Fringe.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:57 PM   #635
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I think of the serials from the theatre in the 40s.

A movie cut into 40 parts, or all that 8 minute long Flash Gordon crap, aired before the main feature.
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Old November 17 2013, 10:19 PM   #636
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

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I think of the serials from the theatre in the 40s.

A movie cut into 40 parts, or all that 8 minute long Flash Gordon crap, aired before the main feature.
That's actually my first impulse too. I have Kirk Alyn's Superman serials, King of the Rocketmen, Radar Men from the Moon, Zombies of the Stratosphere (with 21 year old Leonard Nimoy as a Martian!), Adventures of Captain Marvel, and Secret Service in Darkest Africa (aka Manhunt in the African Jungle) in my film library. Some of them I first saw during the early 1960s.
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Old November 17 2013, 10:35 PM   #637
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

To what are we comparing the old-time Serials? Stuff like B5, BSG, etc., or stuff like The X-Files, H:LotS, Bones, Voyager, etc.?
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Old November 17 2013, 10:36 PM   #638
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Etymology Digfic.

I caught that King of the Rocketmen on TV once and naturally assumed then that it was the inspiration for the Rocketeer, a movie form 1991, but was later quite surprised to discover that there was no connection and that supposedly that the Rocketeer was a new property.
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Old November 17 2013, 10:57 PM   #639
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Take the article for what it's worth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_..._serial_dramas

Whilst Fringe, Homicde: Life on the Streets and The X-Files are listed VOY isn't.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:02 PM   #640
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But DS9 and Enterprise are?

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Old November 17 2013, 11:10 PM   #641
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Take the article for what it's worth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_..._serial_dramas

Whilst Fringe, Homicde: Life on the Streets and The X-Files are listed VOY isn't.
H:LotS, Fringe, and The X-Files don't belong on that list; they belong on the Procedural Dramas list because they're "Serialized Procedurals".

I would also argue that Angel, Dollhouse, Enterprise, and Ghost Whisperer belong on the Procedural Dramas list and in the "Serialized Procedural" category as well.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:13 PM   #642
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But they are also examples of Drama shows are they not?, and you admit they are serialised, i.e. they are Serialised Drama's so they belong on the list.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:15 PM   #643
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^ They're far closer to Procedural Dramas than they are to the majority of the other shows on that list, even with their serialization.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:17 PM   #644
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A look at Wikipedia's Procedural Drama article lists a lot of shows, but none of them appear to be science fiction in Voyager's mode. I'm essentially unfamiliar with any programs on cable after 1990 or appearing after 2005 on traditional broadcast. Serialized television really didn't take off until the 21st century.

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Old November 17 2013, 11:22 PM   #645
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Well it might be more accurate that they (serilaised Drama's) started to become more popular from the mid 90's or so. As there are a few examples from that era and before, with the earliest listed being DW 50 years old this week.
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