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View Poll Results: Who is Your Least Favorite Flag Officer?
Commodore Jose Mendez ("The Menagerie") 0 0%
Commodore Stone ("Court Martial") 2 6.25%
Commodore Matt Decker ("The Doomsday Machine") 3 9.38%
Commodore Robert Wesley ("The Ultimate Computer") 3 9.38%
Admiral Heihachiro Nogura ("The Motion Picture") 1 3.13%
Admiral James T. Kirk ("The Motion Picture" - "The Voyage Home") 2 6.25%
Admiral Harry Morrow ("The Search for Spock") 5 15.63%
Admiral Lance Cartwright ("The Voyage Home," "The Undiscovered Country") 6 18.75%
Admiral Mark Jameson ("Too Short a Season") 5 15.63%
Admiral Andrea Brand ("The First Duty") 0 0%
Admiral Alynna Nechayev (TNG/DS9) 6 18.75%
Admiral Chekote ("The Circle," "Gambit") 0 0%
Admiral Erik Pressman ("The Pegasus") 9 28.13%
Admiral Toddman ("The Die is Cast") 0 0%
Admiral James Leyton ("Homefront," "Paradise Lost") 2 6.25%
Admiral Jeremiah Hayes (TNG/VOY) 0 0%
Admiral Matthew Dougherty ("Insurrection") 12 37.50%
Admiral Kathryn Janeway ("Nemesis") 6 18.75%
Admiral Christopher Pike (nuTrek) 2 6.25%
Admiral Alexander Marcus ("Star Trek Into Darkness") 10 31.25%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

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Old November 17 2013, 08:53 AM   #16
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Re: Least Favorite Flag Officer

I get why some are against Nechayev, as this is your "least favourite" admiral and she was never out to win any popularity contests, but if this was a "who was the most effective admiral" then she would have to win. She focuses on the bigger picture, the interstellar politics, and the consequences for what might happen, rather than being Picard and Co's buddy, all without corrupt or evil. Yes she is never that friendly to the E-D crew, but she could be the one who orders them on a mission that would see the ship destroyed and the crew killed, so she can't let herself get too emotionally attached.

I'd loved to have see her as a Captain.
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Old November 17 2013, 01:19 PM   #17
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I didn't vote for Nechayev because she was efficient but it wouldn't have hurt her to be a little nicer.
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Old November 17 2013, 02:33 PM   #18
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Re: Least Favorite Flag Officer

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Now if there is a poll for Best Flag Officer then Nechayev would definitely get my vote.
Agreed. I love Nechayev and Akaar as well.

I couldn't vote for any in this poll. I was looking for Admiral Jellico as I can't stand him.
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Old November 17 2013, 04:46 PM   #19
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I could not possibly vote for Nechayev in a poll like this. Not only because she was actually a very good officer, but I had a white-hot crush on her ever since she appeared.
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Old November 17 2013, 04:56 PM   #20
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I'm not he hugest Kirk fan, but he was insufferable as an Admiral who spent more time trying to relive his glory days
I can picture him barging into Nogura's office with the "Glory Days" Springsteen song stuck in his head.
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Old November 17 2013, 05:03 PM   #21
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I could not possibly vote for Nechayev in a poll like this. Not only because she was actually a very good officer, but I had a white-hot crush on her ever since she appeared.
Correct!



I voted for Dougherty. The guy was a tool.
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Old November 17 2013, 08:13 PM   #22
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Nechayev was competent but I always hated that scene in Chains of Command where she relieves Picard of command at the beginning of the episode. I mean what's up with her shit eating smirk after she tells him he is relieved? Why she was being so antagonistic? It all seemed forced and unnecessary.
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Old November 17 2013, 10:26 PM   #23
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I thought Admiral Nogura was only mentioned very briefly in passing in TMP, but didn't make an actual appearance.
Correct. But he's mentioned enough in TMP that he manages to have a presence in the film despite never being on screen.
Not really, he was just an unknown Admiral [INSERT NAME HERE], and was really just a way to explain how Kirk and McCoy came back to the Enterprise.
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Old November 18 2013, 03:24 AM   #24
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Some were incompetent, many were corrupt, but Jameson and Nechayev were the ones that I wanted to reach into the screen and slap.
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Old November 18 2013, 03:48 AM   #25
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Where's the incompetent woman from the TNG episode "The Drumhead"?

Otherwise I have to go with: Marcus and Pressman for developing weapons systems that would have made the Federation into an extremely dangerous power and Dougherty for going against everything the Federation stands for.
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Old November 18 2013, 03:57 AM   #26
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^That was Admiral Nora Satie. I completely forgot about her, which surprises me because "The Drumhead" is one of my favorite TNG episodes. I don't think she was incompetent so much as she was nuts. She saw conspiracies everywhere and wasted valuable time and resources persecuting people who'd committed only marginal offenses.

I mean, who really cares that Simon Tarses lied about his heritage? Did his being Romulan as opposed to Vulcan have any bearing on his status as a member of Starfleet? It's not as though he was spying for the Romulans. His grandfather was Romulan, which tells us little or nothing about what kind of people Simon was. I suppose his dishonestly could have called into question how trustworthy or reliable he was, but given the way Romulans were themselves perceived in the Federation, it's not hard to understand why he'd have hid his background.

As an aside, it would be interesting to know the circumstances behind his grandfather conceiving a child with a human woman, but that's hardly relevant in terms of Simon's place in the Federation.

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Old November 18 2013, 04:07 AM   #27
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TY. I totally forgot her name. Satie was absolutely loony, but was still entrusted with decision making. You are right. She's not incompetent, just nuts.

But, given what she tries to do while she is on board the Enterprise, she is by far my least favorite flag officer. I can sort of excuse Pressman and Marcus as they are trying to do what they think is best for the Federation, even if it is downright wrong. Her, not so much. At a minimum, busting Tarses' balls like she did was an overreaction. WWII military records show us that the bloodline does not define the person. We had plenty of military personnel with Japanese, Italian, and German parentage who served honorably and earned medals for their service. So why can't Starfleet have a half-Romulan in the service?
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Old November 18 2013, 04:12 AM   #28
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So why can't Starfleet have a half-Romulan in the service?
Totally agree, especially since Saavik had been a member of Starfleet for several years. It's not clear who knew about her half-Romulan heritage beyond Kirk and Spock, but she more than proved her loyalty to the Federation, and under extremely difficult circumstances.

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Old November 18 2013, 12:28 PM   #29
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[Whispers] Sran, you could've said that since Satie was retired in "The Drumhead" then she doesn't count

She definately did have her own agenda and seemed to be out for blood--definitely not a woman you'd want against you, even on her good days.
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Old November 19 2013, 12:22 AM   #30
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Dougherty was a big doody head.
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