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Old November 15 2013, 09:39 PM   #31
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Re: Season Cliffhangers as Series Finales

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Seaquest would be a great show for a reboot, just have it start as a science mission and grow it into a military show.
Why not just keep it as a science mission? The only two episodes of the series that I really liked, "Bad Water" and "Photon Bullet," were both heavy on the science and problem-solving.
Why not have both? A show can have elements of military sci-fi and hard science fiction. I liked the 2032 setting and the stories they told with it. I wish they had a chance to tell more.

Of course, I am a sucker for shows exploring near-future problems and politics.

And yes, I just pretend the second season never happened. Well, I don't "pretend." It just didn't happen.
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Old November 15 2013, 09:47 PM   #32
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Seaquest would be a great show for a reboot, just have it start as a science mission and grow it into a military show.
Why not just keep it as a science mission? The only two episodes of the series that I really liked, "Bad Water" and "Photon Bullet," were both heavy on the science and problem-solving.
Because an underwater show that deals with just science and not Earth based issues, aka wars, is just boring for seasons on end.
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Old November 15 2013, 09:55 PM   #33
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To quote myself: As much as I'd love to see the other prospective two "volumes" of two seasons each, Carnivàle was a beautiful nightmare of a show, and no dream ever really lasts long enough to resolve all its plot points. In a way, Carnivàle's abrupt ending is perfect.

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Old November 15 2013, 10:17 PM   #34
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Because an underwater show that deals with just science and not Earth based issues, aka wars, is just boring for seasons on end.
Speak for yourself. Some of us find military stuff boring. And one can certainly have adventure and danger without the ugliness of war.
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Old November 15 2013, 10:21 PM   #35
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Re: Season Cliffhangers as Series Finales

^ A show can deal with military issues and yet not war. The two are not always the same.

And even if they are: DS9 did all right with the Dominion arc, didn't it?
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Old November 15 2013, 10:45 PM   #36
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After 22 episode of season 1 it was clear that isn't a show that can stick around for 22 episodes.

Plus there doesn't need to be a war. But a political episode dealign with keeping the peace would be nice.
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Old November 15 2013, 11:36 PM   #37
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Because an underwater show that deals with just science and not Earth based issues, aka wars, is just boring for seasons on end.
Speak for yourself. Some of us find military stuff boring. And one can certainly have adventure and danger without the ugliness of war.
I gather that Roy Schieder wasn't too happy with the direction the show took after the first season.
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Old November 16 2013, 03:15 AM   #38
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Because an underwater show that deals with just science and not Earth based issues, aka wars, is just boring for seasons on end.
Speak for yourself. Some of us find military stuff boring. And one can certainly have adventure and danger without the ugliness of war.
I gather that Roy Schieder wasn't too happy with the direction the show took after the first season.
Talk about understating the matter.

He wanted off the show, he hated it so much. They actually wouldn't let him out of his contract unless he agreed to make a couple appearances in season 3 (2032), which he did.

Can't say I blame him. The show got turned into something totally different from how it began, and not really for the better.
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Old December 15 2013, 09:09 AM   #39
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The book of Malachi would have been a great place to end the series.
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Old December 15 2013, 01:51 PM   #40
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Seaquest would be a great show for a reboot, just have it start as a science mission and grow it into a military show.
Why not just keep it as a science mission? The only two episodes of the series that I really liked, "Bad Water" and "Photon Bullet," were both heavy on the science and problem-solving.
Why not have both? A show can have elements of military sci-fi and hard science fiction. I liked the 2032 setting and the stories they told with it. I wish they had a chance to tell more.

Of course, I am a sucker for shows exploring near-future problems and politics.
Right.

And, to take it a step further, viewers might be interested in an exploration of how the interests of science could be balanced with military interests. That could be both a source of drama and a source of subject matter that might itself in the abstract interest and be of concern to viewers, in the way they deal with today's world.

Frankly, I would be more interested in that than I would be in stories set in a world when pure science missions on the scale of seaQuest could get funded, assuming it's to be set in the not-too-distant future, since it's completely implausible that a world such as that latter one could exist anytime in the 21st century (i.e., in my lifetime). To set it in such a world would be to lean more towards the fantasy end of the scale.
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Old December 15 2013, 02:47 PM   #41
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If you look at TV series in general, the vast majority of them are not about the military. So why shouldn't there be more SF shows that aren't about the military?

Not every big government project in history has been a military one. Consider the TVA or the creation of the interstate highway system, say. Okay, those involved the Army Corps of Engineers, but it wasn't about shooting and fighting. There are times when the government is willing to invest major funding and resources in things other than warfare. That hasn't been the case much since the Reagan era, but the political pendulum's bound to swing back eventually. We'll need a major investment in science if we're to survive climate change, and developing undersea colonization or food production, sustainably of course, could be an important way to do that. So I have to disagree -- it's very plausible to me that we could see a major investment in the scientific study and development of the ocean depths over the next century. There might very well have to be.
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Old December 15 2013, 03:23 PM   #42
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In the Interstate Highway System, you picked a pretty bad example of a large-scale project undertaken without consideration of its enormous military applications, particularly in relation to the logistics of national defense.
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Old December 15 2013, 03:33 PM   #43
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Well, I've driven on the interstate highway system a lot and I've never seen a tank. There's more to life than the military.
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Old December 15 2013, 04:44 PM   #44
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The interstate highway system was justified by military necessity. In a way, it was probably a ruse, but that didn't mean that it would have been build without the internal defense argument.
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Old December 15 2013, 04:56 PM   #45
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The point is, even military projects don't necessarily entail getting into gun battles and spilling blood. Even if the research project did have some military underwriting, that doesn't mean the show would have to be about military action and combat. A lot of what the military does is peaceful, constructive, even scientific. I think there are more than enough sci-fi shows about future wars and ray guns and death and violence. I want to see more science fiction that's actually about science.
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