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Old November 14 2013, 05:32 AM   #121
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Re: Khan #1 Review

Also, remember that Starling built the EMH's holo-emitter, which continued to exist even after "Future's End" was over.
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Old November 14 2013, 01:52 PM   #122
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Also, when the Voyager crew visit LA in '96, they don't seem surprised by anything around them and act as though it's normal.
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Old November 14 2013, 02:13 PM   #123
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A war on that scale, it seems unlikely that the USA could avoid involvement.
The USA was involved in multiple wars in the 20th century, but not one of them touched American soil, aside from a single Japanese fire balloon belatedly killing a Sunday-school teacher and five children who found it in the woods. And WWII was the largest-scale war in history.

So a war doesn't have to destroy American cities in order to have American involvement.
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Old November 14 2013, 02:33 PM   #124
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But could the USA in "Future's End" have been under Augment control until recently?
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Old November 14 2013, 02:46 PM   #125
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But could the USA in "Future's End" have been under Augment control until recently?
As I said, that was probably an alternate past anyway. But I think it likely that the US avoided being directly affected by the Eugenics Wars, which seemed to be mostly waged elsewhere in the world. If the Khan comic implies otherwise, I'd consider that an error, or at least something that would need to be justified.
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Old November 14 2013, 03:30 PM   #126
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To be fair, we actually saw very little of the US in that episode. A few parts of L.A. and that was it.
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Old November 14 2013, 10:15 PM   #127
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Don't some major cities get nuked in the latest issue?
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Old November 14 2013, 10:17 PM   #128
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But could the USA in "Future's End" have been under Augment control until recently?
As I said, that was probably an alternate past anyway. But I think it likely that the US avoided being directly affected by the Eugenics Wars, which seemed to be mostly waged elsewhere in the world. If the Khan comic implies otherwise, I'd consider that an error, or at least something that would need to be justified.
Interestingly, Star Trek: Federation states that North, Central and South America were unified into the American Empire at the onset of the Eugenics Wars.
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Old November 15 2013, 05:40 PM   #129
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Don't some major cities get nuked in the latest issue?
Yeah, Washington and Moscow. That's a pretty big thing to add to Trek history.
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Old November 15 2013, 05:51 PM   #130
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Interestingly, Star Trek: Federation states that North, Central and South America were unified into the American Empire at the onset of the Eugenics Wars.
No, actually, it doesn't. Nowhere in that book is the phrase "American Empire" ever used.

The book does make heavy use of the term 'Optimum Movement'. Is this what you were referring to? (And, IIRC, the Optimum was not an American grouping. Optimum took over many countries worldwide, not simply the US.)
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Old November 15 2013, 06:06 PM   #131
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It's worth pointing out that the 1996 seen in "Future's End" was probably an alternate timeline anyway, since once Voyager restored the timeline, Braxton had never gone back in time at all and thus the 20th-century timeline resulting from Starling getting his timeship was undone, presumably replaced with the original version of history.
Never thought of that before. Good point!
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Old November 15 2013, 06:12 PM   #132
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Don't some major cities get nuked in the latest issue?
Yeah, Washington and Moscow. That's a pretty big thing to add to Trek history.
Washington and Moscow nuked? Nah, no way, that's just going too far.
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Old November 15 2013, 06:23 PM   #133
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It's really, really dark and conspiracy theory-ish. Pretty cool for Trek.
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Old November 15 2013, 06:29 PM   #134
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It's really, really dark and conspiracy theory-ish. Pretty cool for Trek.
What, and we're supposed to believe that despite these MASSIVE cataclysmic events, after the Wars were over, things just went back to normal, with the rest of history up to the present happening more or less as normal? 9/11 and the War on Terror still happened? The Beastie Boys still happened? No way!
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No, this should have completely derailed the Dubyan Wars.
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