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Old November 13 2013, 01:42 AM   #106
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Re: T.W.O.K vs STID

I've never heard of a "Lion chocolate bar"...
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Old November 13 2013, 01:53 AM   #107
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TWOK . . . was a Trek action movie that seemed to try to get a piece of the "Star Wars pie".
Curious then that it should be a Trek action movie so obviously based on the submarine movie genre and not Star Wars? I'd say rather that TWOK was the apotheosis in cinematic form of what made Trek a distinctive franchise -- the translation of popular non-SF dramatic / action formats into an SF setting.
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Old November 13 2013, 03:07 AM   #108
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Hm, Lion chocolate bars can be extremely tough to chew because of its caramel core. They are yellow-red, have a Lion on it, and are called “Lion“.

http://chocablog.com/wp-content/uplo...6/08/lion1.jpg
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Old November 13 2013, 05:45 AM   #109
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The only memorable thing is the Enterprise rising out of the water. And that's just a cool visual effects shot for the sake of it, but there was no meaning behind it.
And even then the whole concept made no sense whatsoever.

The planet they were at seemed to be pre-industrial, so no form of sensor technology. The ship could have stayed in orbit and monitored the cultural study and then planet-saving mission(s)--every other starship sent to observe pre-warp cultures manages to do it just fine from space. Also if the volcano was so destructive that it would wipe out the planets population, why risk the ship by having it anywhere near the surface?
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Old November 13 2013, 11:56 PM   #110
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I found STID too hyperactive. Explosions and firefights every 20 minutes.

It's a blockbuster first, movie second. Khan, the Klingons, Section 31 everything thrown at you at once with tons and tons of high paced action scenes.

I'm still trying to accept the premise of how the crew was promoted so quickly and thrown together in such a short time.

The sense of camaraderie from experience and serving years together isn't there with this kind of background story line.

So when Spock yells Khaaaannn!!, is it really effective?
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Old November 14 2013, 12:22 AM   #111
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So when Spock yells Khaaaannn!!, is it really effective?
No. Funny, though.
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Old November 14 2013, 01:00 AM   #112
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So when Spock yells Khaaaannn!!, is it really effective?
No. Funny, though.
It's so obviously borrowing on Shatner's much more effective yell. After all, Kirk had such a magnificent set of lungs, we heard him all the way through the crust of the Genesis planet and out into space, where sound can't travel due to space being a vacuum.

(And don't anybody come along and snarkily point out that Kirk was yelling into a communicator, 'k? I know that.)

Spock's death in TWOK was effective, because there was no guarantee that Leonard Nimoy would come back to the role. We really didn't know what would happen.

In this movie, it was painfully obvious that nuKirk wouldn't stay dead. It's like when most modern soap characters die - the audience knows it's probably not forever, or even for very long, as the writers will either retcon what happened or pull out some bizarre plot twist to make it unhappen. That's what this nuTrek movie did with nuKhan's blood.
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Old November 14 2013, 08:29 AM   #113
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In this movie, it was painfully obvious that nuKirk wouldn't stay dead.
Indeed. There was no way there wasn't going to be a sequel.

I don't rate Quinto's lungs any lesser than Shatner's, but in terms of character motivation? TWOK wins, hands down. It's not even a contest.
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Old November 14 2013, 02:53 PM   #114
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I prefer the Wrath of Khan, but I like Into Darkness too.
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Old November 15 2013, 03:35 PM   #115
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TWOK . . . was a Trek action movie that seemed to try to get a piece of the "Star Wars pie".
Curious then that it should be a Trek action movie so obviously based on the submarine movie genre and not Star Wars? I'd say rather that TWOK was the apotheosis in cinematic form of what made Trek a distinctive franchise -- the translation of popular non-SF dramatic / action formats into an SF setting.
Yet in '82 and '83, fans were complaining in Interstat and Trek magazine that Wrath of Khan had turned Star Trek into a Star Wars-style shoot-em-up while making several unwanted changes to the characters and core of the series - you know, just like fans say now about ST'09 and ID.

It's only considered "what made Trek distinctive" because in it established the look which all pre-TNG Trek used for the next 30 years.
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Old November 15 2013, 08:53 PM   #116
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I prefer the Wrath of Khan, but I like Into Darkness too.
Agree.
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Old November 16 2013, 02:31 AM   #117
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In this movie, it was painfully obvious that nuKirk wouldn't stay dead.
Indeed. There was no way there wasn't going to be a sequel.
They could've at least left us hanging between movies 2 and 3 or something... it kinda cheapens the whole noble sacrifice scene when you're revived a few minutes later.

Too bad they didn't save any of that magic blood for Pike.
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People have a look and sound to them. I had known Nimoy-as-Spock for many years and adventures. His death affected me because he was an old friend dying, and valiantly to boot. Pine-Kirk I have not seen and heard many times and on many different adventures. His death didn't affect me. Plus I knew he wouldn't stay dead.

No comparison. Plus I don't like hyper, smashy-crashy movies. Only saw this once and won't watch it on dvd. No biggie.
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Old November 16 2013, 08:09 AM   #119
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I just watched TWOK again after five years, and I must admit that I liked it a lot better this time, because I didn't watch Space Seed before the movie. Khan was a pretty good villain when he didn't have any women to charm around him...
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People have a look and sound to them. I had known Nimoy-as-Spock for many years and adventures. His death affected me because he was an old friend dying, and valiantly to boot. Pine-Kirk I have not seen and heard many times and on many different adventures. His death didn't affect me. Plus I knew he wouldn't stay dead.

No comparison. Plus I don't like hyper, smashy-crashy movies. Only saw this once and won't watch it on dvd. No biggie.

So in a standalone movie with new characters, no death scene affects you?
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