RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 137,908
Posts: 5,330,912
Members: 24,558
Currently online: 592
Newest member: laurah2215

TrekToday headlines

Retro Review: Inquisition
By: Michelle on Jul 12

Cubify Star Trek 3DMe Mini Figurines
By: T'Bonz on Jul 11

Latest Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Jul 10

Seven of Nine Bobble Head
By: T'Bonz on Jul 9

Pegg The Prankster
By: T'Bonz on Jul 9

More Trek Stars Join Unbelievable!!!!!
By: T'Bonz on Jul 8

Star Trek #35 Preview
By: T'Bonz on Jul 8

New ThinkGeek Trek Apparel
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Star Trek Movie Prop Auction
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Drexler: NX Engineering Room Construction
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > Voyager

Voyager There's coffee in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old November 11 2013, 07:42 PM   #76
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

SFDebris had a good suggestion in his review of Fury... instead of having Kes just go crazy because she can. Have the Borg had noticed her mental superness since they were in Borg Space during the Gift. Have them assimilate the Ocampa to try and get this mental power. Then suddenly Kes has a reason to be acting as she is and you have a story worth telling.
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 11 2013, 08:51 PM   #77
dub
Captain
 
dub's Avatar
 
Location: Location? What is this?
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

That's an interesting idea. Or what if they just didn't make "Fury," but somehow for the last few episodes Kes becomes the Borg queen with her mental powers, and Janeway has to talk her down, and then as her last act as Borg queen Kes snaps out of it long enough to send Voyager back to the AQ, melts the rest of the Borg's cybernetic implants with her mental powers, then commits Borg suicide.
dub is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 11 2013, 09:11 PM   #78
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

They would never recast the Borg Queen.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 11 2013, 09:45 PM   #79
Lynx
Rear Admiral
 
Lynx's Avatar
 
Location: Lynx Empire
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

R. Star wrote: View Post
SFDebris had a good suggestion in his review of Fury... instead of having Kes just go crazy because she can. Have the Borg had noticed her mental superness since they were in Borg Space during the Gift. Have them assimilate the Ocampa to try and get this mental power. Then suddenly Kes has a reason to be acting as she is and you have a story worth telling.
I see no reason why Kes should go crazy and act that way at all. The whole thing was totally out of character for her. She was probably the last one on that ship to go crazy.

as for a Borg scenario, seven would have been a more logic choice for becoming a victim of Borg scemes.
__________________
Who'd let that cat in here?

Welcome to visit the Kes Website at: http://lynx677.byethost12.com
Lynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 11 2013, 09:54 PM   #80
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

Lynx wrote: View Post
R. Star wrote: View Post
SFDebris had a good suggestion in his review of Fury... instead of having Kes just go crazy because she can. Have the Borg had noticed her mental superness since they were in Borg Space during the Gift. Have them assimilate the Ocampa to try and get this mental power. Then suddenly Kes has a reason to be acting as she is and you have a story worth telling.
I see no reason why Kes should go crazy and act that way at all. The whole thing was totally out of character for her. She was probably the last one on that ship to go crazy.

as for a Borg scenario, seven would have been a more logic choice for becoming a victim of Borg scemes.
See, I never saw what Seven had to offer the Collective at all. Some sort of "unique" insight into humanity that Picard's assimilation(not to mention all the rest) somehow didn't? Them going after the Ocampa for mental abilities would make sense as that would bring something to the table. Maybe a scenario where she's covertly spying on them without knowing it, but even that runs into the flaw of... why does one little ship matter to them at all?

Even in this scenario, Kes might be using Voyager and manipulating them, but I don't think she'd go all mental rampage and blow all the stuff up. Especially kill Torres(though I think it would've been funny if she killed Seven instead... replace me will you! ). Just get on board, lie as to why she's there and travel back when no one is in engineering, then repeat her scheme to get Kes away so she never meets the Borg and her people are saved. This would actually create quite the moral dilemma for Janeway, when Kes if found out. The only problem is, for the writers anyways, it probably wouldn't be a quick hit of the reset button to fix this.
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 11 2013, 10:15 PM   #81
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

No one plans to go crazy.

And after you go crazy, nonsense becomes reasonable.

If Kes wasn't suffering from dementia, if she was still sane, and still acted like that, then that would be out of character, but insanity changes your character.

Okay here's a question.

If Kes was kookoo for cocoa puffs, why did they put her behind the controls of a Starship and push her off into space?

That's right up there with friends don't let friends drink and drive.

Would you really let you grammy who keeps putting gold fish in the tea kettle drive her car to the shiops for groceries?

Sounds like a mercy killing to me.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 12 2013, 06:01 PM   #82
Bad Atom
Commodore
 
Bad Atom's Avatar
 
Location: Ohio
View Bad Atom's Twitter Profile
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

Interesting timing, "Fury" just came up in my series rewatch and I didn't skip it this time. It actually reminds me a lot of ENT's "These Are The Voyages" in dubious intent and sloppy execution.
Bad Atom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 12 2013, 07:54 PM   #83
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

I wouldn't say it's that bad. Of course that's like saying a slap in the face is better than a kick in the balls.
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 12 2013, 10:30 PM   #84
Lynx
Rear Admiral
 
Lynx's Avatar
 
Location: Lynx Empire
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

R. Star wrote: View Post
I wouldn't say it's that bad. Of course that's like saying a slap in the face is better than a kick in the balls.
Not to mention a spit in the face which that episode was to the Kes fans.
__________________
Who'd let that cat in here?

Welcome to visit the Kes Website at: http://lynx677.byethost12.com
Lynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 12 2013, 10:32 PM   #85
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

Lynx wrote: View Post
R. Star wrote: View Post
I wouldn't say it's that bad. Of course that's like saying a slap in the face is better than a kick in the balls.
Not to mention a spit in the face which that episode was to the Kes fans.
As I said, I'm rather indifferent to Kes myself so I was slightly amused at the concept of her just randomly showing up to blow crap up.

But yeah... if you're going to bring back an old character you're appealing to the percentage of fans who were fond of that character. The rest don't care or don't know who she was. So going out of your way to assassinate said character is... silly at best.
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 12 2013, 11:34 PM   #86
teacake
Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

R. Star wrote: View Post
See, I never saw what Seven had to offer the Collective at all. Some sort of "unique" insight into humanity that Picard's assimilation(not to mention all the rest) somehow didn't?
The uniqueness of humanity and the special uniqueness of certain members of humanity is a Star Trek trope I could do without.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 13 2013, 12:22 AM   #87
Melakon
Vice Admiral
 
Melakon's Avatar
 
Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

Since a lot of Star Trek aliens are just symbols for human traits, humans are only special because they combine all of those traits into one big mess of a species.
__________________
Curly: Moe, Larry, the cheese! Moe, Larry, the cheese! (Horses Collars, 1935)
Melakon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 13 2013, 01:19 AM   #88
teacake
Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

I hate that line about Spock being the most human.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 13 2013, 01:57 AM   #89
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

"The Federation is a homo-sapiens only club." Lotta truth to that one.
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 14 2013, 03:05 AM   #90
davidant32
Commodore
 
davidant32's Avatar
 
Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
In the future they use sea shells.
teacake wrote: View Post
For toilet paper?

From Demolition Man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mFuB0gsNAA

Also, this.....

http://www.i-mockery.com/shorts/three-seashells/
__________________
Space, time, and thought are not the separate things they appear to be.
davidant32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
kes

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:01 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.