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Old November 13 2013, 05:32 PM   #1
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TSFS - Horner's nod to Prokofiev?

I know I'm late to the game, but I just noticed this. Am I crazy or did James Horner take some inspiration from Prokofiev's ballet Romeo & Juliet for the part of the Star Trek III score when the Enterprise self destructs and burns up in the Genesis atmosphere?

Starting at around 28:19 through around 28:36. It's even in the same key.

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Old November 13 2013, 05:39 PM   #2
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It sounds almost identical. Start at :44
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Old November 13 2013, 05:46 PM   #3
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Sounds like a pretty obvious lift. Although, refreshingly for Horner, it's from a classical source rather than himself!
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Old November 13 2013, 05:47 PM   #4
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Re: TSFS - Horner's nod to Prokofiev?

Horner frequently lifted from the classics, and from himself. Some of his music during Cocoon lifts phrases from his Star Trek scores.

It's not an uncommon practice. The Wizard of Oz is full of echoes from other music, from traditional tunes ("In the Shade of the Old Apple Tree"), to Mussorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain".
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Old November 13 2013, 06:07 PM   #5
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Re: TSFS - Horner's nod to Prokofiev?

I knew Horner quoted himself a lot. I love his music. One of my favorites is "The Land Before Time," and there are even motifs in that score from TWOK. I've worn out my CD of that soundtrack. But today I was listening to Pandora, and the piece I mentioned in the original post was playing and I heard it -- I thought, that must be James Horner. I went to look, and it was surprised to see it was Prokoviev. I found another video on youtube someone made pointing out the similarity between the two scenes. The scene he was quoting was apparently Romeo at Juliet's grave. So Kirk is Romeo and Enterprise is Juliet? I think it's a beautiful metaphor. I do think it would have been neat to have that as a footnote on the soundtrack or something though. I'd love to hear him talk about it in an interview. What his thoughts were on that. What made him decide to use it, etc.
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Old November 13 2013, 06:53 PM   #6
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I've not read an interview with him since the 20th century I think, and he'd said he'll never go back to Star Trek and that it's behind him. He wasn't happy that he was forced to use bagpipes and "Amazing Grace" in TWOK.
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Old November 13 2013, 07:21 PM   #7
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Wow! "Amazing Grace" was great there! If I remember correctly...it wasn't included on the soundtrack I have. That explains why.
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Old November 14 2013, 01:07 AM   #8
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If you think about it ... it's very appropriate to use that Romeo & Juliet Opera for inspiration, considering Kirk's long love affair with the Enterprise...
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Old November 18 2013, 07:46 PM   #9
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Sounds like a pretty obvious lift. Although, refreshingly for Horner, it's from a classical source rather than himself!
Lol THIS
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Old November 20 2013, 01:46 AM   #10
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^^ ha ha

I was just watching TSFS yesterday and realized part of that scene (when the klingons are in the corridors of the enterprise) music reminds me A LOT of the horns section in the Aliens soundtrack when the Marines are being surrounded.

Ya Horner does this quite a bit...more so than any other composer it seems.

There's elements of TWOK that sound almost note for note similar to his work in: Krull.
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Old November 20 2013, 06:45 AM   #11
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Horner's boat chase music in Cocoon is a thinly revised version of some of his Mutara Nebula stuff.
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Old November 20 2013, 06:50 AM   #12
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Horner's boat chase music in Cocoon is a thinly revised version of some of his Mutara Nebula stuff.
I remember that, Maurice...it was pretty distracting, actually!
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Old November 21 2013, 04:45 AM   #13
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Re: TSFS - Horner's nod to Prokofiev?

Check this out starting at 1:07:


and compare with this starting at 3:25:
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Old November 21 2013, 06:10 AM   #14
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Wow, it's worse than I thought!

What, is James Horner the Irwin Allen of composers?
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Old November 21 2013, 06:39 PM   #15
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That track from Battle Beyond the Stars has a little bit of Horner's The Mask of Zorro score in it, too.

He's written three or four really great scores, and then reused them again, and again, and again...
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