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Old November 2 2013, 12:16 AM   #31
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Patty is in Error. There is no such ban form CBS or anyone regarding the Abrams stuff. I think everyone just assumed that because those films were the" it thing" right now not to do something with them, when in reality there is no ban on doing a fan film set in that universe! The only BAN is on making money and you can bet the hammer will fall on the crowd funding stuff very soon. I think J.J. and Bob Orci and those guys would be flattered if someone paid tribute to their stuff! They are very cool guys. I have spoken to CBS legal about several different issues over the years and they have always been very helpful in what to do and what not to do. I am sure they don't draw a distinction between which eras of Trek to do a fan film about!
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uh...what? Mallory told us years ago that they would consider it direct competition. And you, yourself, told Star Trek Origins of that so they changed their plans on using the JJverse.

Did they change the rule since then?
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Old November 2 2013, 01:25 PM   #32
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No, Mallory did not. At the time there was a lot of hub bub over merchandising and my personal opinion and
recommendation was not to do it. I have all my emails.
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Old November 2 2013, 02:44 PM   #33
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And, personally I think it's damn fair. The reason is simple: they will not allow any direct competition to the franchise's current money maker. They give us so much and ask so little. "Don't take away any of the money we can make from what we own and are making money from now"
Abramstrek is so bad that fan films become competition?

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Curious that this "ban" has become something that comes up even though it doesn't exist.

Having said that: it would be very difficult to do the JJVerse. The CGI isn't a problem, but the sets?
Why, you only have to film in Apple stores and breweries, using IKEA furniture.
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Old November 2 2013, 06:04 PM   #34
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No, Mallory did not. At the time there was a lot of hub bub over merchandising and my personal opinion and recommendation was not to do it. I have all my emails.
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I can confirm there is such a ban. The head of CBS legal gave it to me personally.
So, did the head of CBS legal do this or not?
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Old November 2 2013, 06:35 PM   #35
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Re: Regarding Fan Films set in the Abramsverse

This thread should be used in every discussion of eyewitness testimony in the country. Wow. This wasn't even a quick, high adrenaline event, it was a corporate meeting, and folks can't agree on what happened.

It should also serve as the value of PUTTING AGREEMENTS IN WRITING. It really shows how people can hear things differently. Think you've an agreement to do almost anything involving time and money to be put out in the future? PUT IT IN WRITING AND AGREE ON THE TERMS. I am not going to back-reference some of the fights in this community in recent years, but here's the outcome: PUT IT IN WRITING.

We should all be glad we live in the age of 1001 cameras recording everywhere. I'm confident there will be many fewer innocent people convicted.

And no, I am not saying if James or Patty heard what they thought they heard... or even if something entirely different was stated. I have not a clue!
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Old November 2 2013, 07:17 PM   #36
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Re: Regarding Fan Films set in the Abramsverse

So can we make fanfilms in the JJverse or not?
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Old November 2 2013, 08:30 PM   #37
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Maybe.
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Old November 2 2013, 10:15 PM   #38
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This thread should be used in every discussion of eyewitness testimony in the country. Wow. This wasn't even a quick, high adrenaline event, it was a corporate meeting, and folks can't agree on what happened.
Except I don't think there was such a meeting where both of the posters were involved. At least that's not how it reads.
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Old November 11 2013, 08:21 PM   #39
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<crickets>

That's the response I expected.
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Old November 12 2013, 02:19 AM   #40
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Re: Regarding Fan Films set in the Abramsverse

I would suspect that CBS would hold the same policy towards 'anything' Star Trek, JJ or classic universe. But.. when we delve into JJ's universe we have more company's involved, mainly Paramount (Viacom) and Bad Robot and as such, that can complicate things more on a legal matter in terms of fan usage. Star Trek is unfortunately a complicated property.
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Old November 12 2013, 02:22 AM   #41
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So can we make fanfilms in the JJverse or not?
Just call CBS legal to hear it directly from them. They may tell you they don't have a problem with it but Viacom and/or Bad Robot might.
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Old November 13 2013, 11:22 AM   #42
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<crickets>

That's the response I expected.
Answer to what? From who? Oh, and sorry if real life prevents some people from being here constantly....
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Old November 13 2013, 07:10 PM   #43
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<crickets>

That's the response I expected.
Answer to what? From who?
I'm fairly certain Maurice is referring to this post:

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No, Mallory did not. At the time there was a lot of hub bub over merchandising and my personal opinion and recommendation was not to do it. I have all my emails.
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I can confirm there is such a ban. The head of CBS legal gave it to me personally.
So, did the head of CBS legal do this or not?
...which has been roundly ignored by everyone from Phase II so far.

Personally, I find it rather disingenuous and highly suspect that such a large miscommunication could actually have existed between you and James (who in this very thread publicly denied your assertion that it was CBS Legal who put any fan film activity tied to the Abrams films continuity was taboo) all this time. Too, you guys at P2 (all of you) could really stand to take some advice when it comes to your PR machine. From James publicly bitching and moaning about the Abrams films on his Facebook page months before they're released while at the same time you go and use mockups of the advertising campaign of those same films to promote Phase II all the way to here on this very board where it takes constant hounding to get the simplest answers out of anyone (see: Vic Mignona's credit on "Kitumba," or this thread here.)

Perhaps if you guys weren't so sensitive about every last minute detail, you might not have as many vultures circling.

Oh, and sorry if real life prevents some people from being here constantly....
I don't know if you meant this to read as snide, but it's awfully hard not to read it that way. Maurice posed his question on October 31. The question went unanswered and he inquired again on November 2. By November 11, two days ago and nearly two weeks after posing the question for the first time, he posted the response you are now having an issue with.

Nobody expects you to read this site constantly, but it's beyond obvious you guys don't like the spotlight when it comes with tough questions because time and again, you just disappear. You put your titles of all the cool things you do for P2 in your signatures, so it's great when there's praise to be had but the minute there's any kind of accountability, any kind of inquiry that might not make you guys look great, WHOOSH! No one can be reached.
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Old November 13 2013, 08:31 PM   #44
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Re: Regarding Fan Films set in the Abramsverse

The irony of the implied "get a life" from people who make fanfilms is really rather delicious.
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The irony of the implied "get a life" from people who make fanfilms is really rather delicious.
She didn't say 'get a life.' She said that she (and I) have lives. And frankly, she asked me privately who that 'crickets' was aimed at, and I told her I thought your attack was aimed at ME. So if it wasn't, you should get an editor. I was the most recent person you had attacked, clearly an activity you feel a need to do. And do again. And again. I had decided I would let you have the last word. My primarily purpose when I come here is to make sure I don't miss fan film releases. Ideally, I also track fan films that are being produced. It does not help the accuracy or completeness of Star Trek Reviewed for me to engage in fights.

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