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Old November 12 2013, 05:35 PM   #106
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In order to keep from masquerading as Odin, Loki has to act in character, which presumably means ruling wisely and well. But if he rules wisely and well, there's no need for Odin to come back!
I doubt Loki will rule in the vein of Odin. He may very well fake Odin's death and then Loki's ascension to the throne and then rule in his own way. Which I doubt will be good for the people of Asgard or the other "realms."
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Old November 12 2013, 05:45 PM   #107
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I think, even if he wanted to rule like Odin, he wouldn't be capable of it.
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Old November 12 2013, 05:55 PM   #108
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If they killed Odin off offscreen I'll be amazed.
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Old November 12 2013, 06:08 PM   #109
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Loki is too inherently unstable and cruel to rule like Odin, and he's not as powerful as Odin either (though with Odin's staff he's gotten a big power boost).

Of course, if his cruelty and ruthlessness does come through he'll be able to use Frigga's death as an excuse for "Odin's" changed behavior.
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Old November 12 2013, 08:42 PM   #110
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Would it really be so hard to add a tongue-in-cheek emoticon?

Yes, I'm talking to you moderators.

And for the record, yes, the joke is, how could the Aesir tell the difference?
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Old November 12 2013, 08:53 PM   #111
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I have a gut feeling that Odin is still alive. I know this is a bad example, but remember what happened at the end of the first GI Joe movie? Zartan, disguised as the Chief Executive, assumed control of the White House. Then in Retaliation it was revealed that the real POTUS (played by Jonathan Pryce) was imprisoned and still alive. So it's possible Loki is keeping Odin a prisoner.
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Old November 12 2013, 08:59 PM   #112
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Saw it. My thoughts:

- I love IMAX. I hate 3D. Why cant I be allowed to choose?

- I got such a big Krull vibe from the opening battle.

- Christopher Eccleston has too nice a voice for such a crappy role.

- If I had my druthers, they should have had Loki manipulate events so that the Aether would turn Jane into his "daughter", Hela. Almost thought they were going in that direction.

- I loved the Collector at the end. Makes me look forward to GOTG.

- One week before the Friday primere, I went grocery shopping. What were the housefraus and the cashiers talking about?: couldn't wait for Thor! Family came into town briefly. None read comics or was into sci-fi/fantasy. All couldn't wait for Thor! Had to call the plumber in the middle of the week. They sent 2 guys: white haired, working class: They already had tickets to the Thursday Night premiere! None can resist Chris Hemsworth's flowing locks it seems.
Aside from that, I can why they are popular. Compared to most of the other ciphers who populate these 21st century industrial exercises that pass themselves off as movies, the cast of the Marvel movies actually seem to go out of their way to charm the audience....except Portman-tron, the latest OS update must have crippled her emote function this time around.
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Old November 12 2013, 10:04 PM   #113
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Grade: A-

I found the film to have excellent pacing and it set up it's premise and introductions, as well as re-introductions, to be well done.

I like how it has an opening monologue from Odin similar to the one from the first film where he talks of "humans once accepted a simple truth....", the continuity there is something I like.

Pros:
  • The romance is solid, it's fully realized here.
  • Darcy, I actually didn't mind Darcy this time.
  • The call back mentions to Avengers
  • Loki
  • Sif
  • Figga fighting and her death scene
  • Odin
  • Well placed humor
  • King Bor!! (nice delving into more lore!)
  • Captain America's cameo
  • Kurse

Cons:
  • Seeming accidental ease with which Jane teleports to exactly where the "hard to find" Ether(mcguffin) is located so it bonds to her making her crucial to the plot for 2 acts. I get why, just could used some work.
  • So, where exactly is Odin now?

Indifferent:
  • So Malekith isn't really a threat without the Ether? That was my take. I mean yeah, he controls an army but he himself, as depicted here doesn't seem to be a threat to Thor or the 9 Realms without it. In the comics it's not quite that way but I didn't get that vibe in the film.
  • Would I have liked more Warriors 3, yes, but it's neither here nor there. They got about equal time, maybe a tad more here in DW---except for Hogun.

I was never fooled by the cut off hand scene, I did however buy into the Loki death scene. Why? Cause Frigga had died also and was sent off to Valhalla. So with a main character in Loki dead also a trip to Valhalla to revive, rebirth them as has been done seemed a great story point moving forward. A Thor 3 where the journey is made to speak with Brumhilda(Valkyrie) to return Loki and Frigga to the living seemed possible to me.
So when the Asgardian foot soldier reports to Odin they found a body. I believe that foot soldier to have been Loki now. However, what did he do with Odin? Did I miss something.

Only a few nagging things but overall I solid and enjoyable Marvel Studios entry yet again!!
I'll see it at least one more time, not ruling out twice more. For me, better than IM3.
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Old November 12 2013, 10:29 PM   #114
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However, what did he do with Odin? Did I miss something.
The concept of a cliffhanger to a sequel.
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Old November 13 2013, 01:20 AM   #115
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Yeah, that should hardly be a con. It's a deliberate set-up for the future. It all but cements that there needs to be a Thor 3 (so I hope the movies keep doing well). I wonder if that's the plan - three of each? At least each of the originals. Perhaps Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, and Dr. Strange will be one-off. Perhaps we'll actually get a Hulk movie? Either way, I'm wondering if they want to do a Captain America 3 as well.
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Old November 13 2013, 01:28 AM   #116
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On the other hand, Anthony Hopkins says he's done.
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Old November 13 2013, 01:48 AM   #117
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I know Anthony Hopkins is bored of the role, but it quite frankly makes no sense for Odin to not be in the third movie - even if it's Loki in disguise, he still has to be in disguise. I'd imagine a recast before anything else.

It's entirely possible he's dead. Probable, perhaps. But, with all due respect to Sir Anthony Hopkins, he shouldn't get to decide that.
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Old November 13 2013, 01:51 AM   #118
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Eh, saying that and it happening are two different things. Pay him enough and he'll do it and even if he doesn't he can always be put in using a CGI likeness of him or simply just recasting the role.

I know Anthony Hopkins is bored of the role, but it quite frankly makes no sense for Odin to not be in the third movie - even if it's Loki in disguise, he still has to be in disguise. I'd imagine a recast before anything else.
This, again, assumes Loki will maintain the Odin disguise to rule Asgard and not simply "kill off" Odin and install himself as King.
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Old November 13 2013, 03:04 AM   #119
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No one will buy it. He already made a powerplay for the throne. Then he was imprisoned. Then he faked his death. If Odin made Loki (who is supposed to be dead) his successor once again, everyone will assume Odin was Loki in disguise since they know he's capable of doing that.
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Old November 13 2013, 03:07 AM   #120
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An interesting twist on everyone's assumptions would be if Odin allowed Loki to take his place, with or without Loki's knowledge. He seems pretty eager to pass on his throne. Maybe he plans to retire in Tahiti (it's a magical place).
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