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Old November 11 2013, 02:53 AM   #91
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Re: THOR: THE DARK WORLD - Grading & Discussion

For those expressing confusion, the nine realms are different dimensions, with Midgard being Earth's entire dimension...and Earth conveniently being the focal point of Midgard from the Asgardians' perspective.
That's kind of how I thought it but then, well, that's *very* convenient. I mean out of the trillions upon trillions upon trillions of planets in our universe Earth is the focal point? And then there seem to be dimensions that exist but aren't "known" or part of the nine in the Norse Tree, or the nine that align every 5,000 years. (Thor says the Chiltari aren't of any known Realm in "The Avengers.) I've taken the "dimensions" bit more or less as being the case (no idea if that jives with Norse Mythology but there's obviously more than nine habitable worlds in the universe) but then it's just like... "Earth just happens to be the focal of our universe, huh?"

I'm guessing when Thor is "explaining" these things to Jane in the first movie, that the Hubble is seeing these things, that the Hubble is seeing these floating discs/entries into the other Realms that all aligned in this movie.

I don't think we can guarantee that giving it to the Collector was Loki's call. It may have been Thor's call. The Collector certainly isn't one inclined to give up his collection if he doesn't have to. I think they know the risks giving it to him, but they probably think it'll at least be secure.
Sort of how I take it. The Collector is "trusted", eccentric but trusted as he's yet to do anything to lose trust. Besides it was probably also a case of "he can have it, it's not useful for 5,000 more years at which point he'll be dead" as opposed to "keep it, the Infinity Gauntlet and the Tesseract in the same place."

Watch in Thor 3 as we get a flash-back to that time Loki turned himself into a female horse, got pregnant and gave birth to an eight-legged horse which he gave to Odin for his birthday!
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Old November 11 2013, 02:59 AM   #92
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The first film establishes that the known universe is shaped like a tree. The 9 realms are just in different branches. And the convergence is just a shortcut to those places. It's not about different dimensions. The Bifrost is not a dimensional portal either, it's just some FTL transport wormhole stargate thingy.


And Earth is ALWAYS the focal point in stories. That's hardly a flaw to just this film.
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Old November 11 2013, 03:06 AM   #93
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^Think you're taking the tree metaphor too literally.

Other dimensions is what it's about in the comics, and I haven't seen anything in the films to convince me otherwise.

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That's kind of how I thought it but then, well, that's *very* convenient. I mean out of the trillions upon trillions upon trillions of planets in our universe Earth is the focal point?
Pretty standard stuff for the comics though...when other dimensions interact with ours, Earth is pretty much always the center of attention.
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Old November 11 2013, 03:07 AM   #94
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JarodRussell wrote: View Post
The first film establishes that the known universe is shaped like a tree. The 9 realms are just in different branches. And the convergence is just a shortcut to those places. It's not about different dimensions. The Bifrost is not a dimensional portal either, it's just some FTL transport wormhole stargate thingy.


And Earth is ALWAYS the focal point in stories. That's hardly a flaw to just this film.
But why is that "alignment" represented as three floating discs/portals to these other worlds, how do you account for there being "unknown" worlds if there's nine branches to this tree and, oh, the trillions of stars in the universe? The dimension thing makes a bit more sense, to me.
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Old November 11 2013, 03:26 AM   #95
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^Think you're taking the tree metaphor too literally.

Other dimensions is what it's about in the comics, and I haven't seen anything in the films to convince me otherwise.
While dimensions is the better explanation, it's not a flawless one. The Elves seemed to use conventional space travel to arrive, for example.
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Old November 11 2013, 03:36 AM   #96
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^Think you're taking the tree metaphor too literally.

Other dimensions is what it's about in the comics, and I haven't seen anything in the films to convince me otherwise.
While dimensions is the better explanation, it's not a flawless one. The Elves seemed to use conventional space travel to arrive, for example.
*Seemed* to being the operative word there. Who's to say they didn't have a drive-system that could move through dimensions as well as it does space?
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Old November 11 2013, 03:48 AM   #97
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It's definitely not just nine inhabited planets in all of space. That limits the MCU's options a little too much, and I'm sure that GotG will be establishing plenty of worlds that don't fit into the Asgardian scheme in that sense.

EDIT: Here's the Marvel Comics explanation of Asgard. Apparently the other 8 worlds are all considered part of the same dimension as Asgard, and Earth is in a different dimension.
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Old November 12 2013, 08:28 AM   #98
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About Odin. If Loki has used his shapeshifting/illusion powers to take his form and we know he can cast illusions on other people, it'd be totally in-character for him to turn Odin into him and then bury him alive in some grave and say it was Odin honoring Loki's sacrifice.

Odin may be in some Asgardian crypt somewhere, in some magic coma.
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Old November 12 2013, 03:40 PM   #99
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I'm going to say magic coma. It's certainly less gruesome.
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Old November 12 2013, 03:50 PM   #100
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Popping in to ask a dumb question.

When Odin imprisoned Loki, I thought he said he would not kill him because of his mother, but that his mother would never be able to see him.

Was she really visiting Loki when she asked if she was his mother, as in using her abilities, or was it all it in Loki's mind?
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Old November 12 2013, 04:35 PM   #101
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I was wondering is odin dead and if so who killed him and why did we not see it?
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Old November 12 2013, 04:54 PM   #102
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I was wondering is odin dead and if so who killed him and why did we not see it?
Well if he's dead the person who killed him would have obviously been Loki.
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Old November 12 2013, 04:56 PM   #103
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In order to keep from masquerading as Odin, Loki has to act in character, which presumably means ruling wisely and well. But if he rules wisely and well, there's no need for Odin to come back!

It dawns on me that they've actually written Loki's happy ending.
Thor now lives on Earth and Thor 3 need only end with Thor and Jane getting married for his happy ending. This will make for a remarkably upbeat trilogy, no?
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In order to keep from masquerading as Odin, Loki has to act in character, which presumably means ruling wisely and well. But if he rules wisely and well, there's no need for Odin to come back!

It dawns on me that they've actually written Loki's happy ending.
Thor now lives on Earth and Thor 3 need only end with Thor and Jane getting married for his happy ending. This will make for a remarkably upbeat trilogy, no?
Following this idea, not at all.
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That really was a great movie.. SOOOO much better than the first. A very good blend of humor, action, drama and FX.

I'm not sure if it's because it was partly set in London, or if it was because of the look of the elvish warriors, but I got a distinct Doctor Who vibe from the movie.. It just seemed to permiate the entire film and NO, it was not because Malekith was played by Doctor 9... Really...

The elvish warriors reminded me of Cybermen... And my daughter said the same thing without me even prompting her..

The bit with Chris Evans was a hoot. Looking forward to Part 3.
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