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Old November 4 2013, 12:52 PM   #181
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

Gravity is definitely about the journey, whatever you read trust me, you aren't really spoiled.

(Though personally Moon was much more my thing.)
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Old November 4 2013, 12:56 PM   #182
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News flash, science fiction film gets science wrong and is fiction. Stop The Presses!!!!
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Old November 4 2013, 01:09 PM   #183
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

Remember when there was a dragon in Crusade?

Good times.
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Old November 10 2013, 07:37 PM   #184
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

When the hell has Star Trek ever been hard scifi?
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Old November 11 2013, 01:21 AM   #185
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

It hasn't. But it should make some effort to use plausible scientific principles instead of just waving a hand and saying, "Oh, it's <insert polysyllabic technobabble that means nothing>" or some magic solution (wtf is so special about nuKhan's blood that it can revive dead people?).
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Old November 11 2013, 01:48 AM   #186
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

Like Berman Trek.
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Old November 11 2013, 01:59 AM   #187
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It hasn't. But it should make some effort to use plausible scientific principles.
Considering the movie that's considered the best Trek film has a device that was designed to to rapidly terraform planet and is able to create star systems and raise the dead, I'm not seeing the pressing need for hard scifi.

Besides half the fun is when they run into really wierd shit that may or may not laugh at the scientific principals it ignores.
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Old November 11 2013, 02:10 AM   #188
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

Funny, I don't remember "The rate at which a person transforms into a repite is directly proportional to their speed above the rate of plot advancement." being a part of general relativistic sciences.
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Old November 11 2013, 02:13 AM   #189
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It hasn't. But it should make some effort to use plausible scientific principles instead of just waving a hand and saying, "Oh, it's <insert polysyllabic technobabble that means nothing>" or some magic solution (wtf is so special about nuKhan's blood that it can revive dead people?).
I know others have asked it, but you really haven't seen a lot of Trek have you? STID's trekscience is nowhere the level of batshit, pulled out of the ass, psudeo-science that has been cooked up by the franchise in the past.

Magic blood? How about Picard being beamed out as a pattern of energy into an energy cloud-being in space, only to be retrieved and revived by the transporter.

Dieing of a disease? Just pull a hair from a hairbrush, scan it into the computer, and let the transporter reboot your body.

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Like Berman Trek.
Pretty much. They never met a problem they couldn't technobabble their way out of.

And you know what? We didn't care most of the time so long as the story was fun and entertaining.
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Old November 11 2013, 02:16 AM   #190
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They are all full of nonsense. Sure you might get some accurate moments but the science a plot hangs on is usually ridiculous because it's not really the point.
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Old November 11 2013, 02:18 AM   #191
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Kirk was clinically dead only a few minutes. His cells were irradiated and his organs damaged. He was put into suspended animation nearly right away.

Khans blood, or rather the serum/plasma, contains platletes McCoy couldn't identify at first, but regenerate cells, clearing them of damage.

Transfused, it repaired Kirk's cells, they resusitated him, as they have patients even now who have been clinically dead much longer. He was in a coma for two weeks.

Painful, purely biological, fornight long recovery. Nothing "magic" about it.
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Old November 11 2013, 02:22 AM   #192
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They are all full of nonsense. Sure you might get some accurate moments but the science a plot hangs on is usually ridiculous because it's not really the point.
Bingo. It's Star Trek, not a science lecture at Univeristy. We're tuning in to watch larger than life heroes get into adventures, face monsters, and win the day.

Complaining about the science in Star Trek is like complaining about the science in Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon.
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Old November 11 2013, 02:23 AM   #193
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It hasn't. But it should make some effort to use plausible scientific principles instead of just waving a hand and saying, "Oh, it's <insert polysyllabic technobabble that means nothing>" or some magic solution (wtf is so special about nuKhan's blood that it can revive dead people?).
Maybe the writers watched "Space Seed".

Space Seed wrote:
KIRK: Bones?
MCCOY: He'll live.
KIRK: My compliments.
MCCOY: No, I'm good, but not that good. There's something inside this man that refuses to accept death. Look at that. Even as he is now, his heart valve action has twice the power of yours and mine. Lung efficiency is fifty percent better.
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Old November 11 2013, 02:26 AM   #194
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It hasn't. But it should make some effort to use plausible scientific principles instead of just waving a hand and saying, "Oh, it's <insert polysyllabic technobabble that means nothing>" or some magic solution (wtf is so special about nuKhan's blood that it can revive dead people?).
Spock being half human/half alien with copper-based blood is bad science, and he's the very foundation of Trek. The standard was set then and there.
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Old November 11 2013, 03:01 AM   #195
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Like Berman Trek.
In which episode did he use nuKhan's magic blood (or anyone else's magic blood)?

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Funny, I don't remember "The rate at which a person transforms into a repite is directly proportional to their speed above the rate of plot advancement." being a part of general relativistic sciences.
I would be the first to concede that "Threshold" was ridiculous and I consider it to be even worse than "Spock's Brain." It was also stomach-turning, and is the only Voyager episode that I vowed never to watch a second time.

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It hasn't. But it should make some effort to use plausible scientific principles instead of just waving a hand and saying, "Oh, it's <insert polysyllabic technobabble that means nothing>" or some magic solution (wtf is so special about nuKhan's blood that it can revive dead people?).
I know others have asked it, but you really haven't seen a lot of Trek have you? STID's trekscience is nowhere the level of batshit, pulled out of the ass, psudeo-science that has been cooked up by the franchise in the past.

Magic blood? How about Picard being beamed out as a pattern of energy into an energy cloud-being in space, only to be retrieved and revived by the transporter.

Dieing of a disease? Just pull a hair from a hairbrush, scan it into the computer, and let the transporter reboot your body.
Check my profile. I've been a Trek fan since November 1975. That's nearly 38 years, which is longer than many people on this forum have been alive. I've seen TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and some of ENT. I've seen every movie. Granted, I haven't seen much of it lately, but I have seen most of it quite a few times. I've read a respectable number of the novels, and several of the "Making of" books. Do NOT trot out that insulting crap that I'm not familiar with Star Trek, 'k?

However, I don't live on a steady diet of TV and movie Trek. I don't have loads of websites with every line and screenshot handy. I watch other shows, I read other books, and have gone long stretches of time where the only ST I'm involved in has been following my favorite fanfic writers, collecting the fanzines from the '70s and '80s, and coming here.

Soon after deciding I liked Star Trek (back in 1975, at age 12), I read every science fiction book my school library had. Then I branched out to the public library. That's Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, and a lot of others, many of who wrote what is considered "hard science fiction." My bedtime reading was Asimov's essay collections. I started watching science documentaries on TV and reading reference books on astronomy, geology, and other sciences. So I come by my preference for plausibility in my SF honestly.

Regarding the point about the transporter: I seem to recall David Gerrold making that very point in one of his books - The World of Star Trek, if I remember correctly, so that's not a new idea. It predates TNG's existence.

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It hasn't. But it should make some effort to use plausible scientific principles instead of just waving a hand and saying, "Oh, it's <insert polysyllabic technobabble that means nothing>" or some magic solution (wtf is so special about nuKhan's blood that it can revive dead people?).
Maybe the writers watched "Space Seed".

Space Seed wrote:
KIRK: Bones?
MCCOY: He'll live.
KIRK: My compliments.
MCCOY: No, I'm good, but not that good. There's something inside this man that refuses to accept death. Look at that. Even as he is now, his heart valve action has twice the power of yours and mine. Lung efficiency is fifty percent better.
McCoy doesn't mention anything about blood composition. Besides, Original Khan and nuKhan are not the same people.

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It hasn't. But it should make some effort to use plausible scientific principles instead of just waving a hand and saying, "Oh, it's <insert polysyllabic technobabble that means nothing>" or some magic solution (wtf is so special about nuKhan's blood that it can revive dead people?).
Spock being half human/half alien with copper-based blood is bad science, and he's the very foundation of Trek. The standard was set then and there.
Agreed. However, some of the novel authors made the effort to point that out and write scenarios where Sarek and Amanda needed advanced medical help to conceive Spock and have Amanda carry him to birth without either her or Spock dying.
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