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Old November 10 2013, 03:37 PM   #121
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One of the main criticisms of the way Netflix releases its programming is that is doesn't allow for the serialized programming to build up a sense of suspense, nor does it promote the "cultural" conversation. Television series often leave people talking for days and increases interest in the show. (Both of these points were brought up earlier in this thread.)
And one of the main criticisms about television was that it took away the community experience of going to see movies in theaters. And one of the criticisms about phonograph records was that they were too sterile and uninvolving compared to family singalongs around the piano. There's always something lost and something gained, but change is part of life, and people adjust.
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Old November 10 2013, 04:36 PM   #122
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One of the main criticisms of the way Netflix releases its programming is that is doesn't allow for the serialized programming to build up a sense of suspense, nor does it promote the "cultural" conversation. Television series often leave people talking for days and increases interest in the show. (Both of these points were brought up earlier in this thread.)
And one of the main criticisms about television was that it took away the community experience of going to see movies in theaters. And one of the criticisms about phonograph records was that they were too sterile and uninvolving compared to family singalongs around the piano. There's always something lost and something gained, but change is part of life, and people adjust.
I agree, but there is still no reason why Netflix can't move to a "weekly" release schedule for its series--they are still available in their entirety afterward and they get ten to thirteen weeks of conversation rather than a week or two.

One thing Netflix gets right though is they understand that the entertainment industry needs to sell service rather than "product" in this day and age. Forget DRM and electronic usage restrictions on products.

You can't compete with people pirating your movie, show, music, book or whatever so you make the "service" you offer better than the pirating experience could be. iTunes got this right first with music. Now Netflix, with Amazon/Hulu etc learning from example.
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Old November 10 2013, 04:44 PM   #123
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[...] I can also see [Netflix] making some shows available for free as "teasers" for the service.
In fact, Netflix has already done this once. The first House of Cards episode was available for viewing by anyone for a month when the series was first put online.
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Old November 10 2013, 05:18 PM   #124
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I'm just wondering if kirk knows TV doesn't cover 100% of all the major counties, not even the US. and in a great deal of them isn't free either. TV taxes or licences exist in Europe and Canada and Australia. You may be able to pick up commercial TV free in the USA but the signal doesn't cover everywhere, not even via satellite.
Well, obviously. But, if you just can't get TV somewhere, your probably not getting Netflix. Regardless, this is all talking about the US, and its becoming a pointless argument. I think people who think TV is dying are crazy, they think the same about me. Its really accomplishing nothing to argue about that.
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Old November 10 2013, 05:55 PM   #125
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I'm just wondering if kirk knows TV doesn't cover 100% of all the major counties, not even the US. and in a great deal of them isn't free either. TV taxes or licences exist in Europe and Canada and Australia. You may be able to pick up commercial TV free in the USA but the signal doesn't cover everywhere, not even via satellite.
Well, obviously. But, if you just can't get TV somewhere, your probably not getting Netflix. Regardless, this is all talking about the US, and its becoming a pointless argument. I think people who think TV is dying are crazy, they think the same about me. Its really accomplishing nothing to argue about that.
You said until the internet is free and covers 100% of major countries TV will always be here but the fact is TV doesn't do that now. And the truth is Netflix is like Cable, Satellite, FiOS, DVD & Network's catch up services rather than a competitor to TV it is just another way of receiving TV.

Like all of those things Netflix isn't going to kill TV, it is there to be another service and lots of people rather than watching on computers watch through PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, Roku, Boxee, Apple TV and it is on the TV screen. If you don't want to watch TV that way, or via cable or satellite, all well and good. You're no worse off without Netflix than you are without HBO or Showtime and if you're happy to wait for DVDs they will release them sooner or later.
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Old November 10 2013, 06:01 PM   #126
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I wasn;t trying to imply that TV does that. I was trying to say that TV won't be going anywhere in the countries of the world where its big unless internet becomes either free or cheap and the services like netflix are much easier accessed on TV without having to buy a game console or a specialized TV. As for dVd, again I still really doubt any Marvel netflix show will ever be on DVD, but honestly I'd still prefer they didn't exist if they are netflix exclusive, even if Marvel manages to get dVDs out of the shows. It sets a very bad precedent to have good shows debut on netflix.
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Old November 10 2013, 06:04 PM   #127
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I agree, but there is still no reason why Netflix can't move to a "weekly" release schedule for its series--they are still available in their entirety afterward and they get ten to thirteen weeks of conversation rather than a week or two.
But what is the reason for them TO move to that? They practically created binge viewing. And why would they want to be more like broadcast? House of Cards and Orange is the New Black did really well. And were being talked about all the time. I think if they didn't, then that would give them a reason to change how they do things.

Right now, the motivation to change is just be like everyone else. And with the success they are reporting, why?

If it ain't broke, ya know...
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Old November 10 2013, 06:14 PM   #128
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I agree, but there is still no reason why Netflix can't move to a "weekly" release schedule for its series--they are still available in their entirety afterward and they get ten to thirteen weeks of conversation rather than a week or two.
But what is the reason for them TO move to that? They practically created binge viewing. And why would they want to be more like broadcast? House of Cards and Orange is the New Black did really well. And were being talked about all the time. I think if they didn't, then that would give them a reason to change how they do things.

Right now, the motivation to change is just be like everyone else. And with the success they are reporting, why?

If it ain't broke, ya know...
I am not saying they have to, just that they could.
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Old November 10 2013, 06:31 PM   #129
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Except it would nark off their core audience.
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Old November 10 2013, 06:48 PM   #130
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I wasn;t trying to imply that TV does that. I was trying to say that TV won't be going anywhere in the countries of the world where its big unless internet becomes either free or cheap and the services like netflix are much easier accessed on TV without having to buy a game console or a specialized TV. As for dVd, again I still really doubt any Marvel netflix show will ever be on DVD, but honestly I'd still prefer they didn't exist if they are netflix exclusive, even if Marvel manages to get dVDs out of the shows. It sets a very bad precedent to have good shows debut on netflix.
Does it set a very bad precedent for shows to debut on HBO and Showtime (or here in the UK Sky)?Because that's all it is, a new network that started out showing repeats, like Syfy, then started making original shows.
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Old November 10 2013, 06:48 PM   #131
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Personally I like binge viewing. It fits the way my mind works -- I tend to jump from one fixation to another, get really into doing one thing for a week or two before my attention can successfully be diverted somewhere else. (Which you'd think would mean I'd write a lot more short fiction than I do, but I've never mastered the knack of writing at that length, so instead it just makes it harder for me to stay focused on a novel.)

And it's not that different from the way people see movies -- they don't all see them at once, but most of the audience sees a movie within a few weeks of its release.
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Old November 10 2013, 06:53 PM   #132
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I'll take your word for this but I can't imagine it.
Which? The study about commercials making programs more enjoyable? I suspect it has something to do with the five act structure. If a show didn't do that - with a commercial break hitting right as things got really exciting, there's no need. But, on the other hand, a build up to something exciting followed by a resolution three seconds later isn't as interesting. I've heard the argument that the cliffhangers in the traditional Doctor Who were more exciting with a week between them. Going straight to the next one makes them often seem kinda dumb.

Here is the study, fwiw.
Interesting idea I guess. Not sure about the methodology of airing Taxi with and without ads and then comparing it to Happy Days. As for me, I will continue to wear out my commercial skip button on my DVR.

Maybe it explains my love of NFL football.
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Old November 10 2013, 07:02 PM   #133
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I wasn;t trying to imply that TV does that. I was trying to say that TV won't be going anywhere in the countries of the world where its big unless internet becomes either free or cheap and the services like netflix are much easier accessed on TV without having to buy a game console or a specialized TV.
I'm not sure you realize how easy it is for everybody to access Netflix. You don't need a game console or a specialized TV. BD players come with a Netflix app installed. Additionally they sell receivers for streaming right to your television.

Don't try to give me price as a reason for not getting the receivers either because they go for as little as fifty bucks. If you can afford a DVD or BD player then you can afford a converter box. Trust me that sucker will have paid for itself within a month of buying it! It's certainly more cost effective than buying season sets for every show you want to watch.

Also most people who don't have credit or even debit cards still have no reason not to have Netflix if they want it. Certainly you must know that they sell these little things called prepaid cards that you can buy at any 7-Eleven or Walgreens. If you can put seven bucks a month on that card then you can have Netflix.

I'm not saying that you should go to Netflix if you're not interested in it. If you're happy with broadcast television then by all means stick with it. All I'm saying is that your reasons for why you can't use it don't really hold much in the way of water.
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Old November 10 2013, 07:18 PM   #134
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All of our DVD players we got for around 10-20 dollars, and I don't know what a BD player is. If you mean bluray player, our PS3 is the only one, and I only got that because I got a lot of money from family when I graduated high school. We won't be getting bluray players by themselves until DVD is dead and bluray players have gotten dirt cheap like DVD players eventually did (we don't even have an hd-tv, why would we have a bluray player?). I'd love to have netflix, it sounds cool. Its just not possible because we can't pay them the way they want and none of the ways of streaming it to tv are affordable.

Its like what I was saying about tv. Unless stuff like netflix can be as easy as cable (just hook into your tv from a pug in and go) and don't require credit cards people like my family will never be able to get it.
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I agree, but there is still no reason why Netflix can't move to a "weekly" release schedule for its series--they are still available in their entirety afterward and they get ten to thirteen weeks of conversation rather than a week or two.
But what is the reason for them TO move to that? They practically created binge viewing. And why would they want to be more like broadcast? House of Cards and Orange is the New Black did really well. And were being talked about all the time. I think if they didn't, then that would give them a reason to change how they do things.

Right now, the motivation to change is just be like everyone else. And with the success they are reporting, why?

If it ain't broke, ya know...
I am not saying they have to, just that they could.
Well. Now I'm confused. Because they could do LOTS of things. You seem to be advocating for them to be doing a specific thing, yet you aren't?

So, let me rephrase, sure, they COULD do that model of releasing once a week, but why would they? What would be the motive to change something that works well for them?
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