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Old November 10 2013, 08:04 AM   #16
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Re: Different Approach of New Star Trek

Oh it's just me, it's nothing the internet plays with.

Trial eps: anything in a courtroom. If the judge is an omnipotent super powerful being extra points for awful but they all bore me to death.

Boxing eps: Our Heroes engage in boxing. To prove something. Or at the behest of antagonists. Actual boxing ring present. Making it fake alien boxing did not save the Bab5 boxing ep. Maybe boxing is so imprinted in men of a certain era that they think boxing eps are a good idea but to me they are utterly eye rolling pissing contest wanks.

I also am down on (understatement) EVER hearing about Jack the effing Ripper in sci fi again! BAB5 YOU FAILED ME HERE TOO!! Sanctuary went even further with this by making him an entire character. Wolf in the Fold was a great episode and now please let's leave it at that.
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Old November 10 2013, 08:13 AM   #17
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Ah, gotya. I thought it might be that, although you'd hit me with terminology!!! But then also, since you said "trial and boxing" in the context of nuBSG (or at least "boxing"), I thought you might be referring to the decision to box #3, which was a different sort of trial and boxing altogether.

Re Jack, I liked Time After Time, though I've not seen it since the 1980's.
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Old November 10 2013, 08:18 AM   #18
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Oh yeah boxing means something different in NuBSG..

Have I seen Time after Time? I can't remember. And now I have that song in my head.
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Old November 10 2013, 08:19 AM   #19
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I reserve my loathing for trial and boxing eps for the most part. I would rather watch medical ones, but the topic is full of overworked pitfalls.
For my money the best kind of medical drama is something like ReGenesis, focused on crisis-related problem-solving but with halfway believable timelines (so that the business of curing a major disease outbreak is a multi-episode arc, not something Bones miraculously does in forty minutes). A "ReGenesis in space" concept would be pretty neat.

The other nice thing about a concept like this is getting to see the galaxy from the viewpoint of people who are not a Space Military or Space Outlaws... freeing one up to give both concepts a less, um, starry-eyed treatment.
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Old November 10 2013, 08:39 AM   #20
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I would be in for some "frontier medicine"

Especially if the people were not Starfleet.

That was one of the huge pluses about DS9, not being totally focussed on Starfleet.
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Old November 10 2013, 08:41 AM   #21
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Oh yeah boxing means something different in NuBSG..

Have I seen Time after Time? I can't remember. And now I have that song in my head.
You don't remember? Malcolm McDowall? H. G. Wells? David Warner? Jack the Ripper?

Well, maybe we're even, since I've never seen NuBSG and have no idea of the boxing definition in its context.
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Old November 10 2013, 09:28 AM   #22
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Okay I looked it up and I have never seen it.
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Old November 10 2013, 07:01 PM   #23
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... focused on crisis-related problem-solving but with halfway believable timelines (so that the business of curing a major disease outbreak is a multi-episode arc, not something Bones miraculously does in forty minutes) ...
If you watched the older Law and Order shows, when they changed scenes at the bottom of the screen a date would briefly appear, making it clear that that episode's police investigations were taking place over the course of weeks and (sometimes) months. This in no way interfered with the pace of the story.

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Christian Scientists won't let us treat their child... in space!
Babylon 5 Season 1, Episode 10.

I was on my third rewatch of Bab5 when I got to this one and my kid begged me please, PLEASE could we skip this one and we never skip anything.
I thought it a superior story. And it could be an example of what a Star Trek medical ship series could feature, interacting with multiple species and their different ethical and cultural practices when it comes to medicine. Have doctors from different worlds, all of whom don't automatically observe 21st century "Western medical" ethics.

Among the medical staff we could have discussions like the one in Penpals, where the TNG senior staff revealed that they all had different viewpoint as to what the prime directive actual meant.

Or something like Dear Doctor (which some fans disagree with) where Archer ran headlong into the fact that Denobulans have very different idea as to how genetics and evolution work.

Romulan's ideas concerning infant euthanasia.

Masterpiece Society's idea on creative abortions.

Picard's personal objections to employing the medical properties of the rings in Insurrection to help billions, because of how the particles would be gathered.

While the Star Trek medical ship show would not have to feature ethical quandaries in every episode, this could be a reoccurring theme. Culture clashes on the other hand could be on-going.


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Old November 10 2013, 07:34 PM   #24
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Okay I looked it up and I have never seen it.
Well, you've seen Star Trek IV: The One With The Whales. Nicholas Meyer used some of his unused gags for Time After Time when he worked on the Whales script, so you've sort of seen it I guess. All of his parts of the script were in the San Francisco scenes, where Time was also set.
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Old November 11 2013, 06:04 AM   #25
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. . .The ship is old, using "out of date" Federation Technology. She is not even equipped with Torpedoes; only beam weapon for self defense. . .
If the ship was just overhauled and undergone a refit, why is the equipment obsolete by current Starfleet standards?
. . .Her mission is to hauling cargoes from one planet to other planet, etc. Means, she is a kind of utility ship that missions is not doing the most important or dangerous situation like what Enterprise did. . .
Sounds really unexciting. That'll be sure to draw the viewers in.

If they're that dispirited, why are they still in Starfleet? They should have resigned or been discharged long ago.
. . .The first job of USS Not Important is bringing supplies to a research station in the frontier. But they are intercepted by a pirate ship. While the pirate ship was a mere problem for the heroes of previous Star Trek Series, in this series, they are a menace. The worst part is that the crew give the captain advice to surrender the goods to save their ass. Well, the Captain refuse and choose to outrun the pirate. In here, the captain must face three problems. The pirate, the crew who think that the captain decision is endanger their live, and the ship's old engine. . .
This is a job for ships like Enterprise, not broken down tubs with lackadaisical crews. Old decrepit ships wouldn't be making regular runs to the frontier. Pirates are going to concentrate on trade routes, and those routes are going to be patrolled by Starfleet ships faster than the Not Important, and perhaps only hours away.

. . .The second season is about. . .The third season is about. . .
Better wait to see if the show makes it past 6 weeks before plotting a multi-season bible.

As others indicate, this would have a better chance of working if you weren't trying to squeeze it into the Star Trek universe.

Edit: I'll give you my own example. I originally intended to do animation test footage using some sort of pseudo-Starfleet characters. Then I got the idea to put the focus on civilians, with the military dudes now background characters. This suddenly meant all my Starfleet types were expendable and could die horrible deaths. It was my own fictional universe anyway, and opened up all sorts of new possibilities.

Strip out all the Star Trek references in your concept, and it could work as an original piece.
The first bold :
- Not every ship can be upgraded to the top ship of the line. All is based on the hull. How can you put the latest torpedo launcher if the hull not permit it? How can you put the latest engine if you can't integrate the whole system into it? If you want to change everything, it is better to build a new ship than to modify an old one.

The second bold :
- Not everybody are the bravest men and women in the universe. Sometime they do it just because it is their job. And sometime their motivation is not about to explore the galaxy or face the danger. Maybe they just do it because of financial reason, or maybe because of other things. And not everyone are ready to handle dangerous situation. And not every Starfleet officers are well trained and capable just like the crew of the Enterprise. You just see in the real world. Not US Soldiers are Navy Seal or Delta Force or Ranger.

Basically, the story is about a non perfected situation. Unlike in the previous Star Trek series.
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Old November 11 2013, 04:31 PM   #26
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^ In other words, Firefly.


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Old November 11 2013, 05:51 PM   #27
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- Not every ship can be upgraded to the top ship of the line. All is based on the hull.
When has that ever been said in Star Trek?

How can you put the latest torpedo launcher if the hull not permit it? How can you put the latest engine if you can't integrate the whole system into it? If you want to change everything, it is better to build a new ship than to modify an old one.
And yet the Enterprise got a total modification between TOS and TMP for all the latest gizmos and dodads.

Also if it couldn't be refitted wouldn't they just scrap the ship or assign it to some boring area where they won't run into anything that could threaten them.


The second bold :
- Not everybody are the bravest men and women in the universe. Sometime they do it just because it is their job. And sometime their motivation is not about to explore the galaxy or face the danger.
Then why pick a job in Starfleet where exploring the galaxy and facing danger is part of said job.

Maybe they just do it because of financial reason, or maybe because of other things. And not everyone are ready to handle dangerous situation. And not every Starfleet officers are well trained and capable just like the crew of the Enterprise. You just see in the real world. Not US Soldiers are Navy Seal or Delta Force or Ranger.
US soliders aren't trained to deal with dangerous situations?
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Old November 11 2013, 07:51 PM   #28
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I think Brainsucker has an interesting idea here, but is slightly overstating it.

Consider Adam-12 or maybe Sea Hunt or The Rifleman. Not shows about an elite law enforcement task force, a state-of-the-art submarine, or the super secret agents in the Old West but rather individuals facing their own day-to-day jobs and challenges, dangers and problems. In TOS Kirk for example was considered a very promising young commander and Spock a very respected officer, but Enterprise was but one of several starships. Later series upped the ante as it were.

I personally like the idea of a 'second string' crew aboard a ship that is not a cutting edge vessel, not at all. I'd tone down the seeming incompetence of the Chief Engineer (you do describe him as someone who shouldn't have that job at all). Such a group could be genuinely interesting, emotionally involving as we recognize ourselves more easily. There's a heroism in the mundane as well as the grand epic EVENTS. Simply negotiating between rival factions on a colony about who gets what supplies can make a good story. Firefly was mentioned earlier. I concur! And look to Farscape as well. Or TOS.
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Old November 12 2013, 03:51 AM   #29
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I think Brainsucker has an interesting idea here, but is slightly overstating it.

Consider Adam-12 or maybe Sea Hunt or The Rifleman. Not shows about an elite law enforcement task force, a state-of-the-art submarine, or the super secret agents in the Old West but rather individuals facing their own day-to-day jobs and challenges, dangers and problems. In TOS Kirk for example was considered a very promising young commander and Spock a very respected officer, but Enterprise was but one of several starships. Later series upped the ante as it were.

I personally like the idea of a 'second string' crew aboard a ship that is not a cutting edge vessel, not at all. I'd tone down the seeming incompetence of the Chief Engineer (you do describe him as someone who shouldn't have that job at all). Such a group could be genuinely interesting, emotionally involving as we recognize ourselves more easily. There's a heroism in the mundane as well as the grand epic EVENTS. Simply negotiating between rival factions on a colony about who gets what supplies can make a good story. Firefly was mentioned earlier. I concur! And look to Farscape as well. Or TOS.
That's what I mean. Thank you for explaining it for me. I make this idea because I see that Star Trek is always about "The best". Like they are the world safer. The savior of the humanity equipped with the state of art ship. So I write an Idea about this mundane characters. And, I don't want a story that involve an ordinary officer goes galaxy heroes like in Deep Space Nine. They will keep as ordinary officer, and there is another group (like maybe Kirk's group) that is elite and world safer that the crew adore.

And being ordinary with not a state of art ship and mundane job doesn't mean that they can't become the heroes in their own capacity. Look at the other Star Trek series, where a serious sickness or space cancer can be solved independently in a mere sick bay, and the doctor is a miracle worker. If every ships have that equipment and capability, then what is the purpose of having a hospital, or a hospital ship, etc.

In this story, an exposed crew with serious injury / sickness will need to be send into a hospital immediately. And that will create a suspense or story that we can interesting to watch. Or fighting against a pirate ship will become a life surviving battle because of the limitation they have.

I remember in TOS where McCoy couldn't do anything to Vulcan and Klingon just because they are simply different to human. But the supposedly a frontier doctor Bashir from Deep Space Nine can handle every species, doing research and find a solution to even new decease. So if a frontier doctor or a holographic doctor can solve everything, then in the future, we don't need a specialist or even researchers.

So I think like characters with limitation (even in their respected main skill / capability). Not everybody are super human. and not everybody can solve everything by their own.
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Old November 12 2013, 09:41 AM   #30
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I personally think a sci-fi medical drama series set on a hospital ship could be pretty interesting.
Oh noes, a plague! is one of my disliked storylines. I kind of wonder how many we would get..
Any medical drama plot becomes awesome when you add those two little words that shock and awe:

It's a gang shooting... in space!
A mysterious disease is killing babies... in space!
We've uncovered evidence of medical malpractice... in space!
Christian Scientists won't let us treat their child... in space!
These patients show signs of demonic possession... in space!
Get the actor who played Gil Grissom, and I'd happily watch CSI: Starfleet.

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Okay, now I'm picturing Nathan Fillion wearing a Starfleet uniform... with suspenders.

And with River on board, who needs photon torpedoes?
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