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Old November 9 2013, 02:30 AM   #16
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Re: New Ms. Marvel

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Randomly deciding a character is now gay, or black, or handicapped is not groundbreaking. How about dipping a little bit into what that identity actually means?
Since the writer is Muslim and a woman, I've feeling she just might be "dipping a little bit into what that identity actually means". Might be less random than you think.
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Old November 9 2013, 02:38 AM   #17
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Re: New Ms. Marvel

Religion almost never impacts on a characters motives or decisions in Marvel Comics.

It's an award winning female Muslim author writing about a female Muslim character.

That makes it more about niche than exploitation or titillation.

Does anyone for a second think that Ben Grimm is kosher?

Is Nightcrawler against condoms?

here's a list....

Some Top Super-Heroes

Superman
Methodist

Spider-Man
Protestant

Batman
Episcopalian/Catholic (lapsed)

Wonder Woman
Greco-Roman Classical Religion

Aquaman
Greco-Roman Classical Religion

The Hulk
Catholic (lapsed)

Captain America
Protestant

Invisible Woman
Episcopalian

Nightcrawler
Catholic

Shadowcat
Jewish

Daredevil
Catholic

Hawkman
Egyptian classical religion

The Thing
Jewish

The Atom
Jewish (lapsed)

Zatanna
Dianic Wiccan

Elektra
Greek Orthodox

Oh look! Wonder Woman and Aquaman could carpool to church together.
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Old November 9 2013, 02:38 AM   #18
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Re: New Ms. Marvel

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And will failure be due to being conservative, a feminist, a Muslim, or a woman?
A failure to delve into any of those - and their interaction - on any meaningful level.
Delve into what? She's not a white, male, Christian, what's to delve into unless being not so is somehow strange or not a character the audience can understand? It might be normal to be a woman, a Muslim woman, or just not white, male, and Christian? That's just crazy talk, ain't it?
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Old November 9 2013, 02:51 AM   #19
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Re: New Ms. Marvel

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Oh look! Wonder Woman and Aquaman could carpool to church together.
It's called a temple.
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Old November 9 2013, 02:51 AM   #20
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http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/05/T...spt=fsb&or=ros

Seems doomed to failure. The writer doesn't even see or exploit the conflict between someone from an extremely conservative background using the feminist title "Ms." Be prepared for shallow, superficial treatment.
WTH? The only reason she's being called Ms. is because she idolizes Carol Danvers, it has nothing to do with feminism.
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Old November 9 2013, 03:02 AM   #21
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Re: New Ms. Marvel

So I'm assuming we are looking 6 years later from when a 10 year old had Ms. Marvel posters all over her bedroom walls. If Carol was still using the name presently, would this noob have adopted it? There are two Hawkeyes, and what's with that kid running around calling himself Powerman right in front of Luke Cage after Luke had to beat the shit out of Goliath to earn it... it's funny how Hank Pym never bothers to stop supervillains from taking his costumed identities. What the hells up with that?

Oh god.

It's a question of necessity.

Being a child with no money (Spider-Man's costume still makes no sense.) Kamala goes through her wardrobe only to find an old halloween costume to use as her super hero costume after the shit hits the fan in the second act.
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Old November 9 2013, 03:21 AM   #22
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Which isn't remotely notable now. "Ms." is the standard form of address.
To me this is like saying Bruce Wayne's parent's getting killed is irrelevant to the current iteration of the character.
How? Your parents dying is always (one would hope) going to be an important part of your backstory. Calling yourself "Ms." is not in any way notable today.
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Old November 9 2013, 04:20 AM   #23
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The actual change is that in the 40's when they died, the Waynes were millionaires, in the 90s they were billionaires, and it's not going to be soon from now if not yesterday that Thomas and Martha Wayne were trillionaires when they bought the farm.

It's just a question of if "Batman" Squandered the fortune more than Lucius Fox grew the families wealth.

Just something to remember: Alfred was Bruce's Legal Guardian, which means that he might have been in charge of the Wayne Fortune till Bruce turned 18 or 21 depending on how the trust was written.

If the Waynes were only Millionaires when they died in present day, the family business was most likely a chain of laundry mats or something else equally as middle class.
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Old November 9 2013, 04:27 AM   #24
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Re: New Ms. Marvel

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The actual change is that in the 40's when they died, the Waynes were millionaires, in the 90s they were billionaires, and it's not going to be soon from now if not yesterday that Thomas and Martha Wayne were trillionaires when they bought the farm.

It's just a question of if "Batman" Squandered the fortune more than Lucius Fox grew the families wealth.

Just something to remember: Alfred was Bruce's Legal Guardian, which means that he might have been in charge of the Wayne Fortune till Bruce turned 18 or 21 depending on how the trust was written.

If the Waynes were only Millionaires when they died in present day, the family business was most likely a chain of laundry mats or something else equally as middle class.
Uncle Philip ran things.
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Old November 9 2013, 04:54 AM   #25
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Re: New Ms. Marvel

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The actual change is that in the 40's when they died, the Waynes were millionaires, in the 90s they were billionaires, and it's not going to be soon from now if not yesterday that Thomas and Martha Wayne were trillionaires when they bought the farm.

It's just a question of if "Batman" Squandered the fortune more than Lucius Fox grew the families wealth.

Just something to remember: Alfred was Bruce's Legal Guardian, which means that he might have been in charge of the Wayne Fortune till Bruce turned 18 or 21 depending on how the trust was written.

If the Waynes were only Millionaires when they died in present day, the family business was most likely a chain of laundry mats or something else equally as middle class.
Uncle Philip ran things.
Or Batsy finds out his folks laundromats were a front for the mob.
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Old November 9 2013, 05:01 AM   #26
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So did that make Kathy his sister?

http://www.comicvine.com/philip-kane/4005-88025/

Martha Kane?

I really should read some Batwoman.
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Old November 9 2013, 05:04 AM   #27
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Re: New Ms. Marvel

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There is nothing "groundbreaking" about a Muslim character.
That's true. Come on, just consider HOW MANY Muslim Characters there are in main stream comics. They are represented ALL over the place. We already have that one Green Lantern in DC...
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Old November 9 2013, 05:14 AM   #28
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Re: New Ms. Marvel

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So did that make Kathy his sister?

http://www.comicvine.com/philip-kane/4005-88025/

Martha Kane?

I really should read some Batwoman.
I am unsure of if/how Martha's family is related the Kanes in Batwoman.
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Old November 9 2013, 05:14 AM   #29
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^They are. There was a picture of the twins in Philip's office in Year Zero.

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That's true. Come on, just consider HOW MANY Muslim Characters there are in main stream comics. They are represented ALL over the place. We already have that one Green Lantern in DC...
There is also Nightrunner who was part of Batman Inc. He was certainly better than Green Lantern imo.
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Old November 9 2013, 05:18 AM   #30
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So Bruce and Kate are cousins of some sort?
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