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Old November 9 2013, 04:34 AM   #121
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Re: Gravity - Review and Discussion Thread

I can't imagine why Bullock's legs would need to be CGI.
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Old November 9 2013, 02:11 PM   #122
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Probably some subtle zero gravity effects on the skin and muscles.
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Old November 9 2013, 06:34 PM   #123
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In the past you motion controlled the models and let the actors be free range as it were. Now it is the other way around. A CGI spaceship needs no armature and has complete freedom of movement.

It is the actors that are motion controlled now. You can do all cgi of a woman inflight from the rear--no uncanny valley that way--the face is kept organic.

But to do that, it makes the actor miserable--they have to be positioned ram-rod tight so everything connects point to point. Clooney's suit was only real when he was a ghost.

We actually saw a little bit of this back in 2000 in the movie Space Cowboys, when Clint's face was popped into a suit he was likely not really wearing, except for some collar bits.

That and CGI helmets won't fog--that might be the only give-away in coming years, that and the sheen on fabrics...

CGI legs, being virtual, don't move the same way real legs do--even if youput CGI bones in them. But the diffeence in motion may allow floating scenes to be more fluid, elegant.

This is space ballet remember--this is Sandra's Swan Lake. In reality, look at how chunkily people move in the vomet comet. No poetry in motion there.
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Old November 16 2013, 09:25 PM   #124
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I was disappointed. Not hugely - I certainly enjoyed it, but I was hoping for more - I'd give it a solid 6 or 7 out of 10, and gave it a B here.

I was hoping for Apollo 13 with more spectacle but got an upscaled Space Cowboys. Even leaving aside the orbital mechanics, much of it was just way too stupid (mind you, that's stupid in lower case as opposed to STUPID in large capital letters such as Armageddon). Also the performances, whilst somewhere between good and very good wetre not Oscar nomination class.

Spectacular it certainly was, but, heeding arch critic of 3D Mark Kermode's grudging 'if you are ever going to see a 3D movie, it should be this one, on the biggest IMax screen you can', I went Imax. The 3D demo reel before the movie was stunning, but as for the movie itself, I can't see that it would have suffered any in comparison had I seen it in another 3D format. As for Imax, what is the point ? The allegedly 'pinpoint sharp' images are projected onto a screen that seemed to be covered in tiny dots. It turns out that they are small holes in the screen to let the sound through. I could see them before the film started and I could see them while the film was playing. How is a grainy (dotty ?) picture crystal clear ? I won't bother again.

Don't let me dissuade you from going if you haven't seen it yet - it's a real rollercoaster ride, but don't go expecting some hard sci-fi masterpiece...
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Old November 16 2013, 09:31 PM   #125
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In terms of her instantly removing her spacesuit, as well as the psychological desire to get the hell out of what nearly became her tomb the suits on the ISS in the film seemed to be of a different design to the one she was wearing, if the air tanks* weren't compatible she'd have had to take the one off for the other at some point anyway (or if they are the same, would it be easier to just strip and put a fresh suit on rather than fiddle about trying to change her own air tank?).



*Possibly not the right term...
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Old November 17 2013, 07:39 PM   #126
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Caught this at the matinee this morning and happened to watch ST:TMP last night. I realize that's a lot of why I like TMP is that it conveys much of the same feelings as Gravity where things are cold, lonely, scary and alien. It plays in many ways like a standard escalating disaster movie but the performances and visuals are top notch. Didn't realize it was Cuaron until the end but I'm not surprised. I'm glad I'm ignorant enough of physics and space exploration to not distract me horribly during the movie.
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Old November 18 2013, 02:21 AM   #127
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Saw it the second time and man, would I have loved to see Kowalsky return for real. I really liked the character. Actually, it would have been fun to see just 90 minutes of hubble repairs while he tells his stories. Beautiful vistas and charming humor. Would have been something as well.
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Old November 18 2013, 02:40 AM   #128
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In terms of her instantly removing her spacesuit, as well as the psychological desire to get the hell out of what nearly became her tomb the suits on the ISS in the film seemed to be of a different design to the one she was wearing, if the air tanks* weren't compatible she'd have had to take the one off for the other at some point anyway (or if they are the same, would it be easier to just strip and put a fresh suit on rather than fiddle about trying to change her own air tank?).



*Possibly not the right term...
I agree, it's entirely plausible that she'd have to change suits, eventually. However, I think that the de-suiting scene shows her acting in a way that isn't optimal (I think it would be more optimal to wait until actually getting a new spacesuit), although it's for the sake of advancing the rebirth theme, as Gaith put it, and which you also seem to be picking up on there ("get the hell out of what nearly became her tomb"). Furthermore, choosing to de-suit then and in that way defines her character. All of that is more than perfectly fine in film, and so that's not a negative criticism I'm making here.

Almost losing her tool was also not optimal, it defines her character, and I'm certainly not faulting the film for putting that in.
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Old November 22 2013, 07:02 AM   #129
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Here's a short film called Aningaaq that serves as a companion piece to Gravity. It was directed by Jonás Cuarón, son of Alfonso Cuarón and features the guy who responded to Ryan Stone on the radio.



Read more about it here.
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Old November 23 2013, 04:58 PM   #130
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I felt it was an enjoyable sci-fi pic, albeit the story and character development were thin. It did get silly toward the end. I pretty much got pulled out of it by the time of the hallucination, and the Wall-E-esque fire extinguisher bit made me chuckle out loud. In order for that to work at all, she'd have to pinpoint her exact center point of mass, otherwise she'd just be spinning herself in oddball directions

Still, they had the cast to carry the movie, and keep me watching, I couldn't help picking up the mission control transmission being voiced by Ed Harris', who apparently can't let an astronaut movie go by without getting involved

I'll give it a B+, most of which is for epic FX
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Old December 19 2013, 04:26 AM   #131
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I finally saw it last night, in 3-D no less. And it was fracking amazing. And as I left the theatre I realized that I was feeling something I rarely feel leaving the theatre these days, at least after watching a big budget action film: the simple, uncomplicated joy of having watched an action movie that was well-made in every way.

What did it do that I liked? What it deliver that I had been missing, or restrain itself from delivering that I really didn't want?



In a way, despite its cutting-edge effects and small cast, Gravity is a rather old-fashioned, back-to-basics bit of movie-making, delivering spectacle without discarding craft. And it's nice to see this rewarded by over $640 million in box office revenue worldwide. (Next time you hear someone defend schlocky plots and writing in SF as a necessity for making money, Gravity is a good one to remember. )

It gets an A+ from me.
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Old December 19 2013, 12:35 PM   #132
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This was the sci-fi movie of the year for me. Great performance by Bullock, which is not something I often find myself saying.
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Old December 19 2013, 01:12 PM   #133
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To be fair, the fire extinguisher bit was way too over the top. I already know that part won't hold up to repeated viewings.
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Old December 19 2013, 01:25 PM   #134
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Hah yeah, quite a lot of it was scientifically silly, just the notion that they would have been close enough to the ISS to jetpack there is bonkers.

It was one hell of a thrill ride though.
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Old December 19 2013, 11:02 PM   #135
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What a real astronaut says about the liberties Gravity took.
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