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Old October 27 2013, 06:27 PM   #976
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Don't let little details like the patient screaming "I don't wanna die" stop you from justifying his murder on shaky legal ground!
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Old November 7 2013, 10:50 PM   #977
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The number of posters actually advocating as moral the cold-blooded killing of a person in order to chop him/her up for spare organs - against his/her express wishes - for the purpose of using these organs to save 2 persons from deep coma is shockingly high.
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Old November 7 2013, 11:21 PM   #978
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^ Some people, based on religious beliefs, are opposed to autopsies and cremations as well.
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Old November 7 2013, 11:54 PM   #979
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MY religion forbids me from seeing Janeway as a murderer.
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Old November 8 2013, 12:01 AM   #980
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Except for clowns?
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Old November 8 2013, 12:09 AM   #981
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Totally just death.
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Old November 8 2013, 12:19 AM   #982
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Essentially what Janeway did is to kill someone who doesn't want to donate organs. But she murders him in order to give his organs to two other people who need it.





The reason she killed Tuvix was to get a tactical officer and a cook back. With Tuvix, she would have only have one individual that is a tactical officer, and in his spare time cooks.

So, after she murdered Tuvix, what if Neelix decided to leave the next day? Would she have stopped him from doing so?
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Old November 8 2013, 12:21 AM   #983
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She would have manipulated him into staying.
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Old November 8 2013, 12:27 AM   #984
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MY religion forbids me from seeing Janeway as a murderer.
She's the Anti-Christ in my religion, while we're discussing made up religions up there with Chakotay's.
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Old November 8 2013, 12:29 AM   #985
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The Janeway is my Spirit Animal is a happily popular tumblr theme..
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Old November 8 2013, 03:29 AM   #986
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A Janeway animal guide. Rrrrowwwwrrrrr.
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Old November 8 2013, 10:44 PM   #987
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^ Some people, based on religious beliefs, are opposed to autopsies and cremations as well.
Well, I'm not opposed to autopsies, certainly, and I've even witnessed a number of them. Plus carving up my own cadaver in cadaver lab.

So a medical Luddite, I am not.

But I am still (and always will be) of the belief that Janeway killed a sentient being against his wishes in order to bring back 2 friends who were killed in a transporter accident.

As the Doctor noted, that goes against medical ethics.

Even today, you cannot be forced to risk your life to give up a kidney or a slice of your liver to save another person.

And I daresay, most would *not* do so.
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Old November 8 2013, 11:03 PM   #988
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On Greys Anatomy last week, not the best way to start a sentence, they had a 20 year old Donor Baby (all grown up) living still with the responsibility of handing out organs and suchwhat to her irresponsible thrill seeking action junkie extreme sports sister who doesn't give a damn because she's certain her cancer is going to come back no matter how much of her sister she needs for spare parts.

It was really messed up (depressing) listening to the donor sister talking about how she doesn't have a choice, and it's what she was born for and that she "feels" that she isn't allowed to say "no" becuase she's not a real person moreso than a toolbox... I think thay went as far as saying "I only think my parents love me when I'm saving my sister."`

What if Tuvix killed himself out of spite?

Assuming that they couldn't wring an alive Tuvok and Neelix out of a dead Tuvix.

(I must have had this idea before because I can feel myself reaching for the Blazing saddles quote where Cleavon little takes himself hostage, and I know I've cut and pasted that before.)

Why kill himself when he can be in a perpetual state of almost pulling the trigger?

A deaman's switch?
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Old November 8 2013, 11:10 PM   #989
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That's a sad scenario you lay out there Guy. I have no doubt at all she feels objectified and a sense of obligation to get cut up whenever her sister needs it. Tuvix had that same sense of obligation and certainly everyone else objectified him. When Tuvix said no, they said screw you and cut him up anyways. If the girl said no, they'd probably be pissed as all hell but I doubt they'd drag her to the hospital, strap her to the bed and cut away. That would be a criminal act of the first order. And it doesn't even involve -killing- the girl. Heck, if the girl said kill me, take my heart for my sister... that would be illegal and a doctor would lose his license if he did that to say nothing of criminal charges.

Tuvix committing suicide.... that would be a selfish act... but in a world where he's objectified and his life isn't of any more value than to get two other people back.... I could see the desperation that suicide is the only thing that -he- can choose.
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Old November 8 2013, 11:15 PM   #990
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Desperation? Nah. Spite.

Killing yourself before they kill you.

That's what Janeway did in Deadlock.

She avoided being harvested by the Vidiians when she blew up Voyager before they could get her on a table.
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