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Old November 8 2013, 10:17 PM   #1531
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

Plus there was the added advantage that it wasn't being guarded by Zod and his men. If he went directly to Metropolis, he likely would have been so busy fighting them that he wouldn't have had time to concentrate on stopping the machine itself-- which would have resulted in even MORE damage to the city.
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Old November 8 2013, 10:22 PM   #1532
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I've seen it again today and yes, the World Engine destroys most of the buildings before Superman shows up.
Good thing he spent all that time in the unpopulated place...

What was the reason why he was over there and the US military worked on the one in Metropolis? I don't remember.
I can't remember if they ever actually specified a reason, but I always assumed it was because Superman could get out there a lot faster than they could. The World Engine was in the middle of the Indian Ocean.
It's also possible, depending on where it was situated, that the one in the Indian Ocean might have set off massive earthquakes resulting in even greater loss of life much quicker than anywhere else.
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Old November 8 2013, 10:23 PM   #1533
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This:

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That was pretty much the reason. The military would never have made it there in time.
and this:

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Plus there was the added advantage that it wasn't being guarded by Zod and his men. If he went directly to Metropolis, he likely would have been so busy fighting them that he wouldn't have had time to concentrate on stopping the machine itself-- which would have resulted in even MORE damage to the city.
sum it up nicely.
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Old November 9 2013, 12:44 AM   #1534
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There is no World Engine, which means there are no specs that say there has to be preposterous amounts of destruction. What on Earth or Krypton do ginormous explosions have to do with changing the biosphere? Nor does the instruction manual require that there be two parts on opposite parts of the planet, thereby sending Superman off so that humanity can inconveniently suffer casualties he can't be blamed for. Even the people defending the carnage have to strain to come up with a reason why the other location had to be Metropolis.

The bottom line is that the producers wanted lots of falling buildings, because they thought that was entertaining. Good for you if you got more value for your theater tickets. The massive destruction wasn't very entertaining. The movie gave us a decent Lois Lane and that was vastly more entertaining for me.

And the casualties were not acknowledged. Was there a single bloodstain from a non-speaking "character?"
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Old November 9 2013, 01:24 AM   #1535
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Well the idea was that the Engines were somehow transforming and adapting the Earth to Krypton's much heavier gravity.

Why exactly that required all surrounding objects to be lifted into the air and violently smashed downward, I have no idea. But it was bound to be a destructive process one way or the other, and they clearly had to make this process visually interesting and dramatic for the audience, so I don't have a problem with it.

And to suggest that the falling buildings and epic destruction were only there for "entertainment value" just seems silly. It was clearly meant to demonstrate just how scary and powerful and dangerous Zod and his men were, and to give Superman an overwhelming threat to overcome-- because Snyder and Goyer clearly felt that Superman required a much bigger threat than we typically see in a superhero movie.
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Old November 9 2013, 01:32 AM   #1536
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

There is a frontrunner for the role of Nightwing in Batman vs. Superman.
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Old November 9 2013, 02:04 AM   #1537
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There is a frontrunner for the role of Nightwing in Batman vs. Superman.
Looks more like a front runner for Stonn in a new Trek film.
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Old November 9 2013, 04:14 AM   #1538
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^ He's a daring actor. He's done some pretty graphic sex scenes on Girls.
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Old November 9 2013, 07:53 PM   #1539
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davejames wrote: View Post
And to suggest that the falling buildings and epic destruction were only there for "entertainment value" just seems silly. It was clearly meant to demonstrate just how scary and powerful and dangerous Zod and his men were, and to give Superman an overwhelming threat to overcome-- because Snyder and Goyer clearly felt that Superman required a much bigger threat than we typically see in a superhero movie.
It's nice that you were entertained by the falling buildings. But the simple fact is that there were enough people who were bored by them, their minds wandered, and wondered about the human casualties. The movie was a success but there were enough people who felt this that it would really be silly to attribute the criticism to motiveless malice.

As far as so many of the falling buildings being there? It's not because it was trying to make Zod et al. seem scarier and more dangerous and more powerful against Superman. Two or three Kryptonians attacking him at once would have been. One chocking him might have been. One kicking him in the nuts even. But no amount of falling buildings were going to be scary or dangerous or powerful for Superman. They were like people crashing through cardboard.

Scarier and more dangerous and more powerful against the humans? Showing the casualties from one falling building, even in the Smallville sequence would have done that much more effectively. I daresay that actually trying to imagine a global depiction of the World Engine at work could have been much more effective. A supposed world threat limited to some empty ocean and a single city? Well, yes, the script told us. But Snyder and Goyer didn't show us.
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Old November 11 2013, 05:13 PM   #1540
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

Apparently Kevin Smith is pretty stoked about the new Batman suit.

"I saw the Batman costume. More than that I saw a picture of him (Affleck) in the costume. Now, I don't want to give anything away 'cause that is up to them and stuff, but I am going to say this, I instantly bear hugged him (Snyder). You have not seen this costume in a movie on film before, and for a comic book fan it was mind bending. I was like 'Get out of here, only you have enough power to pull this off.' Because everyone always like does this Matrix/X-Men black armor...It was fantastic. I'm already a flag waver for this movie, but the costume, it blew my mind. I think everyone is just gonna be like 'Holy ****!' It's its own thing, man. It's like we haven't been down this path at all. I was so elated....Even the hardest core “**** all this” person will be like 'alright, I'm ready.'"
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Sounds promising. Could we be getting a more traditional comic book suit?
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Old November 11 2013, 06:07 PM   #1541
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I always figured since the moment Batman was announced that we were going to see a more traditional costume this time around.

Zack Snyder is pretty comic-book faithful and besides losing the trunks the Superman costume was fairly comic-book accurate. Look at 300, Watchmen... if anything got me excited for this movie it was the idea that we would be finally getting a comic-book accurate Batman suit.

So I'm pretty excited. Kevin Smith is a hardcore comic-book fan, so if he got that excited about it, then I'm pretty sure there's enough reason to be excited. Honestly, that's probably the one thing I'm most excited about in regards to this movie - I'm sure the Batsuit is going to be awesome.
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Old November 11 2013, 06:22 PM   #1542
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I wonder if Batman will have trunks.

As for Kevin Smith's comment, he liked Man of Steel so I'm cautiously optimistic that what we'll get will be good.

[Edit] I don't even remember if the New 52 Batman has trunks or not. Looks like he doesn't.


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Old November 11 2013, 06:29 PM   #1543
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I wonder if Batman will have trunks though.
Maybe that's the source of the conflict, maybe Superman makes fun of Batman for wearing his underwear outside of his suit
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Old November 11 2013, 06:43 PM   #1544
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If Superman didn't have trunks I don't see why Batman will.
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Old November 11 2013, 06:47 PM   #1545
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It'll be nice to finally get away from the all-black look (or in the case of BB, black and ultra dark gray).
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