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Old November 8 2013, 03:01 AM   #1486
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Granted she was under pressure, but Simmons said some fairly unkind things to Fitz. Was that kiss one of adoration, of gratitude, or of affection? Was she really excited by being rescued by Grant more than she'd let on to Fitz? And, which is currently the main question in my mind on this issue, will Fitz become a villain, especially if he gets jilted?
One thing Wheadon likes to do is place characters in a series that are fated to be killed or turn out not to be as "good" as we think they are. I got the impression from this scene that maybe Fitz is the mole we thought Skye was.

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EDIT: I just looked up LMDs on Wikipedia, and it says they are outwardly indistinguishable from the original, but any invasive procedures or am EMP pulse will expose them. It also says that they're controlled by the person that they're mimicing. I don't if that would totally eliminate it as a possibility, since the TV show can change things in any way they want, but it does make it seem a little less likely to me.
I really think that the suggestions are decoys. I think that something happened to Coulson that is "out of the ordinary" but that he's not an artificial lifeform. (In fact, I see no reason the original Torch can't appear in an episode as long as his name is not used.) I think that there is something else--perhaps he is immortal, for example.

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Old November 8 2013, 03:58 AM   #1487
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Re: Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

I visit this forum often enough, so I don't get overwhelmed by the volume of posts in the threads I follow. Besides, I'm not obligated to read every single post, but it's nice to chime in and put in my two cents.
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Old November 8 2013, 09:00 AM   #1488
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Oh, yeah, so apparently May died before too, and I'd suspect that's related to why she didn't do field work anymore at first. Did anyone mention that yet?
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Old November 8 2013, 11:13 AM   #1489
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We mentioned it, but we don't all agree with that interpretation. Here was my take:

I didn't quite get that understanding. I think that, whatever it was she went through, it changed her in a way that what Coulson went through changed him. However, the details don't necessarily parallel themselves at all.
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Old November 8 2013, 11:23 AM   #1490
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^ OK, found it.

I'm going to argue that if she didn't actually die too, then it was a poorly written line. That's because it's considered bad form to compare your bad experiences with someone else's when yours pale by comparison with theirs, and that's the sort of courtesy that I have a hard believing that Coulson and May wouldn't both respect.
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Old November 8 2013, 11:40 AM   #1491
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Who's to say yet whether her experience paled in comparison to his? She might have been captured and tortured for months, for example.
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Old November 8 2013, 12:08 PM   #1492
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Who's to say yet whether her experience paled in comparison to his? She might have been captured and tortured for months, for example.
Alright, I would probably buy that. I think that that's a little dark, given what we've seen so far in the show, but sure....
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Old November 8 2013, 02:04 PM   #1493
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^Six episodes, actually.
THREE, sir.
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Old November 8 2013, 02:59 PM   #1494
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Or she could have been brainwashed and turned against SHIELD...or could have had to make a tough call in the field that was the right call for the mission, but cost the lives of her teammates. Whatever she went through, Coulson knows about it, understands it, and clearly doesn't consider it to pale before his own experience.
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Old November 8 2013, 03:06 PM   #1495
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Whatever she went through, Coulson knows about it, understands it, and clearly doesn't consider it to pale before his own experience.
I agree with this.

When I saw the scene, including the part about scars that remind us, I just had a limited view of what the real possibilities ought to be. I'm perfectly willing to postpone judgment on whether it makes sense until after the revelation.
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Old November 8 2013, 03:43 PM   #1496
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I agree with the Old Mixer re: Coulson and May's after-action conversation.

One more reveal to look forward to...
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Old November 8 2013, 04:09 PM   #1497
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It's worth pointing out:

When people are trying to misdirect you, they want you to jump to conclusions based on inadequate evidence. Whatever first impressions we take away from this show are probably the ones they want to trick us into taking away. So we should take care to question and second-guess our first impressions, and to be open to alternative readings of what we see and hear.
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Old November 8 2013, 06:16 PM   #1498
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I'm sure that her scars are the kind that you can't show by taking off your shirt...which is our loss, but it makes her an intriguing character.
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Old November 8 2013, 06:20 PM   #1499
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She turns 50 in 11 days.
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She turns 50 in 11 days.
It's interesting that she came across as a mature, rather plain professional woman as Senator Wen on Eureka, but put her in leathers and an "I'll kill you for breathing wrong" expression, and she's hot as hell.
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