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Old November 5 2013, 10:23 PM   #16
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Re: Masao-class destroyer...

LOL you could model the hull off of the AMT saucer and give it a hull number in the 1000s...
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Old November 6 2013, 01:17 AM   #17
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Re: Masao-class destroyer...

And so we begin...

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Old November 6 2013, 02:23 PM   #18
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There is another way of doing it, but it would likely be just or nearly as time consuming. One could paint the different plates formed by the lines an ever so slightly different tone than the plate beside it. The hope would be to achieve an very subtle effect that would be easy to miss under most lighting conditions.
Whenever I try that, it ends up looking like a checkerboard.
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Old November 6 2013, 09:58 PM   #19
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Okay, it took some fussing, but here's the integrated hangar section in place albeit minus the bay doors, the turbolift housing, the homing beacon...and the rest of the ship. At least from this you can see how it's shaping up.

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Old November 7 2013, 04:15 AM   #20
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Old November 7 2013, 07:26 PM   #21
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Re: Masao-class destroyer...

The huge bridge-dome either suggests an enormous bridge or two levels/decks or a rather small hangar.
Unlike the one on Forbin's version, your hangar-structure also seems too short.

Modelling-wise this looks very good.
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Old November 7 2013, 07:34 PM   #22
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The huge bridge-dome either suggests an enormous bridge or two levels/decks or a rather small hangar.
Unlike the one on Forbin's version, your hangar-structure also seems too short.

Modelling-wise this looks very good.
I came up with the hangar idea initially and did a quick Photoshop of it by grafting the existing hangar section in place. From that Forbin built his kitbash. But it was a quick-and-dirty photomanip job just to get the idea across. Later I redid the Photoshop image and put a different hangar idea in place.

I did measure this out and the hangar area I have is the same as the one on the Constitution-class. It just has a different end arrangement.

Yes, the bridge dome is larger because it's from the Pike era version of the Enterprise. And it does suggest that there is an extra level with the bridge moved up a bit higher. The saucer is meant to be the same size as a Constituion saucer. hull. But because the ship is of a different class and with different mission profiles the interior arrangement would be mostly quite different.
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Old November 7 2013, 08:54 PM   #23
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The huge bridge-dome either suggests an enormous bridge or two levels/decks or a rather small hangar.
Unlike the one on Forbin's version, your hangar-structure also seems too short.

Modelling-wise this looks very good.
I came up with the hangar idea initially and did a quick Photoshop of it by grafting the existing hangar section in place. From that Forbin built his kitbash. But it was a quick-and-dirty photomanip job just to get the idea across. Later I redid the Photoshop image and put a different hangar idea in place.

I did measure this out and the hangar area I have is the same as the one on the Constitution-class. It just has a different end arrangement.

Yes, the bridge dome is larger because it's from the Pike era version of the Enterprise. And it does suggest that there is an extra level with the bridge moved up a bit higher. The saucer is meant to be the same size as a Constituion saucer. hull. But because the ship is of a different class and with different mission profiles the interior arrangement would be mostly quite different.
That clears that up.

Is the bridge on the lower level (like on the JJverse Enterprise) or in the more traditional place on the very top under the skylight/sensor-dome?
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Old November 8 2013, 06:11 AM   #24
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^^ The bridge is the uppermost level although it actually doesn't fit all the way at the very top because there isn't enough room for the turbolift to clear up there, so it's a little lower.



Impulse section and running lights in place.

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Old November 8 2013, 02:24 PM   #25
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Looks like a good start!
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Old November 8 2013, 03:20 PM   #26
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Starting to work on the dorsal. Funny how the Alan Sinclair and Charles Casimiro drawings differ so greatly on the cross-section of the dorsal. Fortunately having the 1/350 model kit on hand solves the issue. I also have David Shaw's drawings as reference and his cross-sections match the model kit and Casimiro's take.

A small note. The clamshell hangar doors are not the same as those on the Constitution-class. The only part of the Connie's hangar I borrowed was the homing beacon dome above the hangar and the general amount of volume taken by the Connie's hangar section. Otherwise once I established the space I had to work in I fabricated everything from scratch to make it fit. Initially I was thinking of a roll-up door or sideways sliding panels, but then it would have been quite problematic because to integrate the new section with the existing B/C deck structure I needed to follow the latter's contours. That cuts into the available space for a large door opening. One alternative would have been to make the new section extend straight back from the forward B/C deck structure, but because the lower part of the section flairs outward it would have made the back end rather wider and looks odd in the end result (I sketched it out enough to see that). The other option would have been to fabricate a new B/C structure but I couldn't find another shape I thought fit well in there so I finished resorting to a door system that could fit a very curved roofline.

My final solution (as I've built it) looks like it extends straight back from the B/C structure, but when you see it in plan view you can see it doesn't.
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Old November 8 2013, 09:19 PM   #27
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An interesting dilemma and puzzle. Having the nav deflector housing as round or as a cylinder won't give me the shape I want when it merges with the dorsal. To get the desired shape and end result means adding a small centre section between the two cylinder halves so the sides of the cylinder intersect with the sides of the dorsal in the desired fashion. Viewed from head on the cross section of the housing looks like a rather squat race track or lozenge shape. Weird.
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Old November 9 2013, 01:48 AM   #28
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I also have to tweak the nacelle diameter. Fact is once you attach the nacelle to the dorsal it looks just a bit overwhelmed. It doesn't look quite as hefty as it does when hung up all by itself on a slender support pylon. So I've moderately increased the diameter of the nacelle without changing any of the other dimensions. Oh, the length increased a very small bit because of a slightly larger nacelle dome and aft cowling. At first glance I doubt most will notice any difference. The increase in diameter is about 4.7 percent and the increased length will be equally marginal.

If one wished to rationalize this difference from the Constitution-class nacelles it could be explained as a necessity since a single unit needs to do the job of two so consequently there are modifications within to account for the slight increase in size.
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Old November 9 2013, 04:17 AM   #29
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Re: Masao-class destroyer...

Okay, we have a status update. Here's a quick look at where things stand. All the major elements are in place. It's now a matter of working the details into place. Candidly I'm finding this model to be somewhat less involved than my original designs, probably because the greater bulk of the designing was already done.




Wow. Who'd have thought some forty years after I first glimpsed this in Franz Joseph's Star Fleet Technical Manual that I'd be fleshing it out and modeling this design?

I'm also starting to toss around some possible names for this puppy. These are just off the top of my head.

USS Masao
USS Fury
USS Sabre
USS Lightning
USS Javelin
USS Polaris
USS Repulse
USS Severige
USS Corsair
USS Skipjack
USS Skate
USS Mercury
USS Courage
USS Reprise
USS Tiger
USS Spectre
USS Elusive
USS Katana
USS Claymore
USS Scimitar
USS Spruance
USS Ranger
USS Swiftsure
USS Vanguard
USS Viscount
USS Buccaneer
USS Aventura
USS Ki Yang
USS Iroquois
USS La Frontier
USS Le Terrible
USS Tenacious
USS Lirpa
USS Ahn-Woon
USS Sehlat
USS Llmatya
USS Cougar
USS Cheetah
USS Kodiak
USS Samurai
USS Krieger
USS Lockheed
USS S'Task
USS Cheyenne
USS Scorpion
USS Cobra
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Old November 9 2013, 05:13 AM   #30
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I suggest : USS Iroquois or USS Suquamish
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