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Old November 5 2013, 05:43 PM   #16
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Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)

I fully agree that Moffat won't care and 99% of the audience won't notice but there's no getting away from the fact that there's been more definite on-screen dating for the Amy-Rory years (and for the number of years that pass after they stop traveling full-time) than for any other "present-day" period in the series history.

Rory was born in 1989 and says he is 31 in DOAS, which puts it in 2020. TPO3 takes place after it which makes that year the earliest real date that the Doctor meets Kate.

Here's the Craig Hinton Memorial Fanwank Explanation: In an unseen story that takes place before this one where Kate meets the Doctor for the first time from her POV he tells her that when they meet in 2020 she should act like it's the first time as it will be from his POV. (As happens in a 6th Doctor Big Finish audio whose name escape me at the moment.)
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Old November 5 2013, 06:07 PM   #17
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Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)

Maybe there will be a big reset button used at the end of the 50th.
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Old November 5 2013, 06:20 PM   #18
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Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)

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Maybe there will be a big reset button used at the end of the 50th.
Not impossible. Moffat likes that shiny red reset button.

But very unsatisfactory.
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Old November 5 2013, 06:53 PM   #19
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Is The Power of Three definitely the first time Kate's met Eleven though? I know it is for Eleven, but is it for her?
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Old November 5 2013, 07:41 PM   #20
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Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)

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Is The Power of Three definitely the first time Kate's met Eleven though? I know it is for Eleven, but is it for her?
Doesn't she claim to recognize him by his weird style of clothes?
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Old November 5 2013, 07:49 PM   #21
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Doesn't she claim to recognize him by his weird style of clothes?
But as we now know she's just pretending not to know him despite having met him loads of times before. *wink* *wink*
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Old November 5 2013, 09:16 PM   #22
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Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)

I'm not sure what you're really getting at here. She's part of UNIT and it's a well known fact that any dates that are at all to do with UNIT make no sense whatsoever.
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Old November 5 2013, 09:46 PM   #23
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Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)

To say the dating of the 7.0 episodes was problematic would be a gross understatement. Hell, I'm of the opinion that A Town Called Mercy should have aired after The Power of Three. While it's hardly the first time Doctor Who has had trouble with dates, it is a pretty good example of how sloppy 7.0 was, IMO.
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Old November 5 2013, 09:51 PM   #24
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Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)

Also, given that one of the rumors that circulated TDOTD for a while had her wear the Fourth Doctor's scarf as a gift from the Doctor himself, it might be oddly appropriate for them to have that kind of a mix-up.
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Also, given that one of the rumors that circulated TDOTD for a while had her wear the Fourth Doctor's scarf as a gift from the Doctor himself, it might be oddly appropriate for them to have that kind of a mix-up.
Actually, it's a newly-introduced UNIT scientist that wears Tom Baker's scarf.
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Also, given that one of the rumors that circulated TDOTD for a while had her wear the Fourth Doctor's scarf as a gift from the Doctor himself, it might be oddly appropriate for them to have that kind of a mix-up.
Actually, it's a newly-introduced UNIT scientist that wears Tom Baker's scarf.
Ah. Wasn't aware of that.
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Old November 5 2013, 10:26 PM   #27
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I fully agree that Moffat won't care and 99% of the audience won't notice but there's no getting away from the fact that there's been more definite on-screen dating for the Amy-Rory years (and for the number of years that pass after they stop traveling full-time) than for any other "present-day" period in the series history.

Rory was born in 1989 and says he is 31 in DOAS, which puts it in 2020. TPO3 takes place after it which makes that year the earliest real date that the Doctor meets Kate.

Here's the Craig Hinton Memorial Fanwank Explanation: In an unseen story that takes place before this one where Kate meets the Doctor for the first time from her POV he tells her that when they meet in 2020 she should act like it's the first time as it will be from his POV. (As happens in a 6th Doctor Big Finish audio whose name escape me at the moment.)
Then how come Kate doesn't appear to age much between 2013 (DOTD) and TPOT (2020)?

I'm personally not all that convinced Kate was lying in TPOT; I reckon she genuinely hadn't met Eleven before then. But then we also know that history can be changed. Perhaps in a subsequent adventure, the Doctor went back in time and met Kate earlier in her personal timeline, explaining how she might recognize him in DOTD?
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Old November 6 2013, 01:35 AM   #28
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Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)

Perhaps the Kate in 2013 in DOTD will be from the future for some reason and then brought back to her proper time at the end...? That might solve it.
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Old November 6 2013, 04:33 AM   #29
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I'm personally not all that convinced Kate was lying in TPOT; I reckon she genuinely hadn't met Eleven before then. But then we also know that history can be changed. Perhaps in a subsequent adventure, the Doctor went back in time and met Kate earlier in her personal timeline, explaining how she might recognize him in DOTD?
That's your explanation right there. In Doctor Who, history is ALWAYS changing. But, the BBC can't afford to reshoot the episodes to reflect the altered timeline...
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Old November 6 2013, 12:46 PM   #30
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I'm personally not all that convinced Kate was lying in TPOT; I reckon she genuinely hadn't met Eleven before then. But then we also know that history can be changed. Perhaps in a subsequent adventure, the Doctor went back in time and met Kate earlier in her personal timeline, explaining how she might recognize him in DOTD?
That's your explanation right there. In Doctor Who, history is ALWAYS changing. But, the BBC can't afford to reshoot the episodes to reflect the altered timeline...
It's possible that's why nobody now remembers Britain's manned expeditions to Mars and Jupiter in the 70's; they were erased from history in unseen adventures. I believe some people have even speculated it could explain the UNIT Dating Controversy, but I'm not too sure about that.

This kind of approach might even help with a number of discontinuities in Star Trek. Just look at stories like DS9 "Past Tense", First Contact, and the Temporal Cold War in ENT.
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