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Old October 30 2013, 09:57 PM   #31
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Re: Joker falling off a building

That's why his name looked so familiar even though I haven't seen most of his movies: the dedications at the end. I watched both Cyclone (don't ask) and Lethal Weapon not that long ago.
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Old October 30 2013, 11:47 PM   #32
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Except that was not, by any definition, "his original death." The Joker had been around as a character for nearly half a century when that movie came out, and had been seemingly killed a number of times before it. Indeed, he was supposed to die at the end of Batman #1 in 1940, but the editor insisted they add a line revealing that he would survive his injuries.
Sure. It wasn't even Joker's first appearance in a movie either. However, if there was a reference, it wasn't designed to target the audience of pedantic people, but the general movie-going audience who saw Batman in 1989 and The Dark Knight a few years ago and probably didn't read Batman #1 in 1940.
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Old October 30 2013, 11:52 PM   #33
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But the point is there's not enough evidence to suggest it was intended as an homage to that particular movie, because that particular movie's Joker death scene was not unique enough to rule out a coincidental similarity. I'm not trying to be "pedantic," I'm trying to assess the evidence and the probabilities in order to answer the question that was asked of us, i.e. whether the Dark Knight scene was likely to be an homage to the '89 scene. My answer is that it probably wasn't, based on the available evidence. If someone can provide a quote from one of the filmmakers saying they did intend an homage, I'll freely change my conclusion, but based on what information I have available at the moment, I'd call it unlikely.
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Old November 2 2013, 03:41 PM   #34
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Most bad guys fall to death. The Emperor, Captain Kirk, and

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Old November 2 2013, 07:20 PM   #35
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But the point is there's not enough evidence to suggest it was intended as an homage to that particular movie, because that particular movie's Joker death scene was not unique enough to rule out a coincidental similarity.
Good point. If the Joker's death in the 1989 flick had been more unusual--like, say, being buried to death under a mountain of bat-guano or dying of an overdose of laughing gas, then we could probably assume it was a deliberate homage if something similar befell the Joker in TDK.

But falling from a building? Not so much.
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Old November 2 2013, 08:49 PM   #36
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My only point was that it was subverted, which made me think it was a reference. Had he died in the same way, I probably wouldn't have thought anything. But the fact that he seemed like he was going to die in the exact same manner but didn't which caused me to think that.

Granted, I thought Two-Faces death in Batman Forever was a reference to the Joker's death as well (because it was Robin's revenge, not Batman's), so maybe I'm just prone to seeing references that aren't there
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Old November 2 2013, 09:53 PM   #37
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Being that this is the Arkham series I don't think it's beyond the pale that this would have been something of an homage. One can see influences from the comics, the animated series, the Burton films and especially in the latest one the Nolan films. Given that the game depicts the Batman's first meeting with the Joker it's quite possible that played in their minds (or not, I just don't think it's inconceivable...). I thought of the movie as well when that happened. Even involved helicopters.
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Old November 2 2013, 09:58 PM   #38
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Being that this is the Arkham series I don't think it's beyond the pale that this would have been something of an homage.
Err, what? The question was about whether the movie The Dark Knight was homaging the 1989 Tim Burton film.
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Old November 2 2013, 10:02 PM   #39
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I was going off the OP but yeah I guess the discussion skewed more about Dark Knight than the game. Sorry, it's fresh on my mind since I've been playing a lot recently.
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like, say, being buried to death under a mountain of bat-guano
Bond reference!
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Old November 5 2013, 12:40 AM   #41
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The Joker, Lazarus and Gerald Ford hop on an escalator....
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Old November 5 2013, 01:21 AM   #42
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like, say, being buried to death under a mountain of bat-guano
Bond reference!
You know, I was wondering if anyone was going to get that . . . .
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