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Old November 1 2013, 04:08 PM   #571
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Camp worked FINE for TOS and made it very charming and enjoyable. But to see TOS remade withOUT the camp is quite a thing to behold! The production values are tremendous ... even the acting in the reBoot series has been far superior, in every way. Indeed, it's how STAR TREK: The Original Series was meant to be. Truly, sirs ...
Are you blowing this camp horn everywhere? I just came from a thread in the other movie forum where you were explaining how TOS was camp and nothing compared to TNG, which demonstrates as seriously an ass-backwards way of looking through the scope as talking up these Abrams things as anything other than popcorn that arrives already stale.
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Old November 1 2013, 04:13 PM   #572
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Heck, season three does a better rip-off of Star Wars than Abrams Trek.
This is a good observation. The Xindi arc really feels like good ol'e fashioned space opera in many ways.
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Old November 1 2013, 05:13 PM   #573
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I enjoyed my time at Camp Horn. We spent most of the summer making knock-off Gucci handbags to sell on the streets of New York...

... Hmmm... Now that I think about it...
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Old November 1 2013, 05:25 PM   #574
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Camp worked FINE for TOS and made it very charming and enjoyable. But to see TOS remade withOUT the camp is quite a thing to behold! The production values are tremendous ... even the acting in the reBoot series has been far superior, in every way. Indeed, it's how STAR TREK: The Original Series was meant to be. Truly, sirs ...
Sir, put down the peyote buttons and step away from the cat. Nice and easy, now...
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Old November 2 2013, 04:19 PM   #575
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If you'll notice, a lot of stuff that was meant to be serious was campy. I find Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Big Valley, Rifleman, Perry Mason, Ironside, Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, Baywatch are all campy. In the future I will see people say "Look how campy Law and Order is with that camera shaking all over place. Everyone has an accusing attitude. HEy look that guy on CSI miami always walks sideways".
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Old November 2 2013, 05:38 PM   #576
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HEy look that guy on CSI miami always walks sideways".
"... and it looks like these two were killed with a tent stake."

"Well, Al, I guess murder in Miami..."

* puts on sunglasses *

"... just got a little more camp."

YYYEEEEAAHHHHHH!
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Old November 4 2013, 05:34 AM   #577
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Well, it's odd that you would say "of the last twelve trek movies" when there are only 12 to begin with. Let's see.

2. The Reliant exploring what they thought was Ceti Alpha Six.
3. The Grissom exploring the Genesis Planet.
5. The Enterprise going to the center of the galaxy.
9. The Federation's duck blind in the Briar Patch.
12. The planet of primitives with Underwater Enterprise.

I count at least five Trek films showing some kind of exploration whatsoever.
really? grammer [sic] Nazi over hear [sic]. I believe he sed [sic] of the last twelve trek movies because their [sic] will inevidably [sic] be moore [sic].
... a grammar Nazi that misspelled grammar, and quite a few other words, too. For shame, for shame! Anyway, if what you say is the intended meaning, then it should be "of the first twelve trek movies," or better yet "of the twelve trek movies to date," or "so far," etc. Grammar Nazi right here.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to be overly critical or pedantic. I probably shouldn't have even mentioned the word choice, as I was really more interested in simply showing that exploration was used in the Trek films more often than the post in question would have one believe. However, as I also suggested subsequently, perhaps he meant with respect to hero ships, anyway, in which case his tally isn't that far off, if at all.

By the way, kudos to Timewalker for actually seeing STID. Now she just needs to make it through Revenge of the Sith!
intentional. that was the whole point, genius
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Old November 4 2013, 05:58 AM   #578
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If you'll notice, a lot of stuff that was meant to be serious was campy. I find Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Big Valley, Rifleman, Perry Mason, Ironside, Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, Baywatch are all campy. In the future I will see people say "Look how campy Law and Order is with that camera shaking all over place. Everyone has an accusing attitude. HEy look that guy on CSI miami always walks sideways".
I don't think Knight Rider was ever meant to be taken as truly serious like the other shows you listed; and Baywatch was pretty intentional with how it was supposed to showcase skin from the get-go.
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Old November 4 2013, 06:06 AM   #579
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HEy look that guy on CSI miami always walks sideways".
"... and it looks like these two were killed with a tent stake."

"Well, Al, I guess murder in Miami..."

* puts on sunglasses *

"... just got a little more camp."

YYYEEEEAAHHHHHH!
This part of the pitch for CSI: Miami as a tentpole summer film was not well received....
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Old November 4 2013, 11:01 AM   #580
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If you'll notice, a lot of stuff that was meant to be serious was campy. I find Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Big Valley, Rifleman, Perry Mason, Ironside, Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, Baywatch are all campy. In the future I will see people say "Look how campy Law and Order is with that camera shaking all over place. Everyone has an accusing attitude. HEy look that guy on CSI miami always walks sideways".
One of the 20 something 'Entertainment Reporters' on cable mentioned that they thought TNG was way 'camper' than TOS. He was rating a TNG episode. When I look at that episode (a great one) I tend to agree.
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Old November 4 2013, 11:11 AM   #581
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This part of the pitch for CSI: Miami as a tentpole summer film was not well received....
[ in a just and righteous world, anyway....]
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Old November 4 2013, 04:21 PM   #582
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If you'll notice, a lot of stuff that was meant to be serious was campy. I find Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Big Valley, Rifleman, Perry Mason, Ironside, Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, Baywatch are all campy. In the future I will see people say "Look how campy Law and Order is with that camera shaking all over place. Everyone has an accusing attitude. HEy look that guy on CSI miami always walks sideways".
If something is meant to be serious, then by definition it can't be camp. That the production values or directing style seem outdated or quaint by comparison to shows being produced now isn't enough; "camp" implies conscious and deliberate exaggeration - it winks at you and says "Yes, I know." The Batman TV series was nearly always camp, for example, but Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Big Valley, Rifleman, Perry Mason, Ironside, and the original Star Trek series were not (though one could reasonably argue that there were moments in Trek's "Trouble With Tribbles" or "Piece of the Action" or "I, Mudd" episodes which were played camp.)
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Old November 4 2013, 05:21 PM   #583
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If you'll notice, a lot of stuff that was meant to be serious was campy. I find Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Big Valley, Rifleman, Perry Mason, Ironside, Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, Baywatch are all campy. In the future I will see people say "Look how campy Law and Order is with that camera shaking all over place. Everyone has an accusing attitude. HEy look that guy on CSI miami always walks sideways".
One of the 20 something 'Entertainment Reporters' on cable mentioned that they thought TNG was way 'camper' than TOS. He was rating a TNG episode. When I look at that episode (a great one) I tend to agree.
I think TNG took itself far too seriously for a show about people flying through space wearing pajamas.
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Old November 4 2013, 05:32 PM   #584
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I think TNG took itself far too seriously for a show about people flying through space wearing pajamas.
Meh, I've never cared for the paralytic fear of being seen Taking Itself Seriously that far too much SF still seems to have even today. If you're making a show about spacemen and aliens, the shameful secret of one's being a Huge Nerd is already out; doing your own premise the favour of taking it seriously is the least you can do.

Which doesn't mean you can't indulge a bit of humour on the side... but if you're going to be constantly trying to reassure viewers that you don't take your own show / movie seriously, they'll probably go elsewhere. Why should they invest anything in it if the creators are afraid to?
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Old November 4 2013, 05:50 PM   #585
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Which doesn't mean you can't indulge a bit of humour on the side... but if you're going to be constantly trying to reassure viewers that you don't take your own show / movie seriously, they'll probably go elsewhere. Why should they invest anything in it if the creators are afraid to?
I think TOS did okay and it didn't go out of its way taking itself too seriously.
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