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Old November 3 2013, 07:58 PM   #31
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Re: Time changed... When will it end.

I'm 50-60 miles as the crow flies from the Canadian border. It's hard to live in the continental US and be much further north than me. The closest major city to here is Winnipeg which isn't even in the same country.
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Old November 3 2013, 08:14 PM   #32
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Old November 3 2013, 08:39 PM   #33
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I like that it stays light later in daylight time, but the week leading up to the roll back, it doesn't really get light in the morning until after 7:00 AM. Do we really want to go to work or school with it still being dark? I know I don't, and the light does help me wake up in the morning.
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That's one of the interesting thing about living at 48+ degrees latitude (Canadian border is 49) and on the western edge of the (central) time zone. In the winter, the sun doesn't come up until damn near 9.
Yeah, my city is around 45°, and I'm accustomed at going to work (and to school back then) when the sun isn't up yet, so all the hand wringing at having to wake up before sunrise doesn't move me much.

Funnily enough, I often forget that the US is located at a lower latitude compared to Europe (or, looking at it from the opposite side, thanks to the Gulf stream Europe is much warmer than North America at the same latitude).

New York is at the same latitude than Naples (100 miles South of Rome), and yet it snows heavily in winter. My city is at the same latitude of Minneapolis, and yet we enjoy a much warmer climate.
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Old November 3 2013, 08:42 PM   #34
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My personal schedule these days is such that time changes really have no impact on me. I'm already at work when the time change happens, so my sleep isn't affected at all. Last night I had to work for an extra hour. In the spring I'll get to cut my shift short by an hour.
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Old November 3 2013, 08:43 PM   #35
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Anyone is free to set his clock to a standard global time. It's just that people can't agree on where on the globe the benchmark spot should be.
I thought it was long established to be this place.

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we've only had DST 25 years now and it's just one huge nuissance. It was introduced in order to save electricity but it's utter b-shit. The light you save in the evening is needed in the morning instead.
That's never been an issue for me. In my neck of the woods, even during DST, the sun comes up at least an hour before I wake up in the morning.

Add to it the physical problems the time shift causes everyone.
What physical problems? I've never had any.

I totally fail to see any advantages of DST. And since in this globalized world we have to deal with different time zones anyway, there's absolutely no reason why we should stick to the nonsense of the sun not being in the zenith at 12 o'clock for almost 8 months a year.
Standard time was originally instituted so the railroads could run on uniform schedules. Before standard time, every city, town and rural community set its clocks by the sun. Noon was whenever the sun was at its zenith, so the time could be different in places that were just a few miles apart.

Are you saying you're not just in favor of abolishing Daylight Saving Time, but abolishing standard time altogether? That would certainly throw everything into a tizzy!
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Old November 3 2013, 08:59 PM   #36
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Re: Time changed... When will it end.

running on local time everywhere would be a bit complicated, even in the computer age. But running a country on the same time 365 day a year would certainly be highly appreciated by most people.
Not all of us are so lucky as to have the luxury to get up after sunrise (which in my part of the world is around 9 am in December/January; 3 hours after I usually start work). Those who have to switch often suffer for weeks under that lag.
Personally, I take about 2 months to adjust to DST and about 1 week to switch back to regular time.

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The bar where I work is open until 3am. As a result of DST, we stayed open for an extra hour tonight, which people enjoyed. Plus it's a whole extra hour for me to make tips!
But did you get payed for the extra hour?
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Old November 3 2013, 09:12 PM   #37
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running on local time everywhere would be a bit complicated, even in the computer age. But running a country on the same time 365 day a year would certainly be highly appreciated by most people.
That's basically what China does. All of the mainland is on a single clock, even though geographically it spans five time zones. And no daylight saving time.

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Old November 3 2013, 09:27 PM   #38
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but running a country on the same time 365 day a year would certainly be highly appreciated by most people.
Not really "most" people. Just a few vocal guys.

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Personally, I take about 2 months to adjust to DST
I call bullshit on that. Maybe it takes you 2 months because you spend the time moaning and grinding your teeth about it. If it takes you 8 weeks to adjust to 1 hour change, what will happen if you take a plane across the planet? Die from retroactive sleep deprivation?
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Old November 3 2013, 09:33 PM   #39
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Does most of the world have Daylight Saving Time? I know the US and UK do but I was just curious how common this time change is.
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Old November 3 2013, 09:36 PM   #40
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Does most of the world have Daylight Saving Time? I know the US and UK do but I was just curious how common this time change is.
Found a pretty good site that answers this question:

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2013.html
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Old November 3 2013, 11:55 PM   #41
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The bar where I work is open until 3am. As a result of DST, we stayed open for an extra hour tonight, which people enjoyed. Plus it's a whole extra hour for me to make tips!
But did you get payed for the extra hour?
Of course. Why wouldn't I?
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Old November 4 2013, 12:15 AM   #42
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but running a country on the same time 365 day a year would certainly be highly appreciated by most people.
Not really "most" people. Just a few vocal guys.

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Personally, I take about 2 months to adjust to DST
I call bullshit on that. Maybe it takes you 2 months because you spend the time moaning and grinding your teeth about it. If it takes you 8 weeks to adjust to 1 hour change, what will happen if you take a plane across the planet? Die from retroactive sleep deprivation?

German researchers have found that the human body never adjusts to DST. http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=4509150
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Old November 4 2013, 12:20 AM   #43
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Makes no difference to me. I don't mind it either way.
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Old November 4 2013, 12:42 AM   #44
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German researchers have found that the human body never adjusts to DST. http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=4509150
Given that in the modern world beside (maybe) farmers people waking up and going to sleep has nothing to do with the sun, I call bullshit on that, too.

Considering also that the so-called "standard time" is a completely artificial too. Tallahassee, for example, which is on the same time zone of New York, has a 40 minutes displacement from its "real" time.

EtA: A few quick calculations: the largest displacement for the US is about 1 hour; the Spanish region of Galicia is displaced by 1 hour and half, St Peterburg by 2 hours, and inner China by more than 3 hours.
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Old November 4 2013, 12:50 AM   #45
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Waking up early, I realized there is a reason why we need daylight saving time. It's what happens in the morning, not necessarily at night. I like that it stays light later in daylight time, but the week leading up to the roll back, it doesn't really get light in the morning until after 7:00 AM. Do we really want to go to work or school with it still being dark? I know I don't, and the light does help me wake up in the morning.

You know sometimes I go to work before the sunrises and don't leave until after it's set. But we in many resepcts live in a 24/7 global age. But disregarding the global aspect of it I'm sure you are right many of hours would much rather goto work/school when it is light and return home before it gets dark.

But we all like the conveniance of going to the local supermarket, tanking up the car etc... Yet are less willing to work what is often called the graveyard shift (overnight).
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