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View Poll Results: Hero Or Villain?
Hero 28 71.79%
Villain 3 7.69%
Other. Explain. 8 20.51%
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Old November 3 2013, 02:08 AM   #46
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Re: Janeway: Hero Or Villain?

Even those who dislike and/or tend to hate on Janeway for some decisions she made...I don't think that even most of those people would use such a strong word as 'villain" in all seriousness.
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Old November 3 2013, 02:34 AM   #47
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Re: Janeway: Hero Or Villain?

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Even those who dislike and/or tend to hate on Janeway for some decisions she made...I don't think that even most of those people would use such a strong word as 'villain" in all seriousness.
Well unless one is talking about the versions from the EMH's holonovel and/or the bulls@#t history thing from Living Witness. Becuase Janeway was defiantly a villain in those.
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Old November 3 2013, 03:16 AM   #48
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Even those who dislike and/or tend to hate on Janeway for some decisions she made...I don't think that even most of those people would use such a strong word as 'villain" in all seriousness.
Though Tuvix's real ghost might.
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Old November 3 2013, 03:25 AM   #49
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Old November 3 2013, 03:45 AM   #50
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Other. She was a little bit of both. After all Janeway was the "mommy" to the crew and sometimes the mommy has to be both the hero and the bad guy.
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Old November 3 2013, 04:57 AM   #51
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Re: Janeway: Hero Or Villain?

In archetypical 50s language, Janeway wasn't the mother, she was the father.

Paid the bills, set down the law, and only showed up when a kid needed some good sense beat into him(or her.).

Chakotay was the mother.
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Old November 3 2013, 05:02 AM   #52
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Actually one of the most creepy Janeway moments was when the Doctor found out she was erasing his memory. The look on Picardo's face just captured how violated the character felt.
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Old November 3 2013, 05:20 AM   #53
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I thought the end was morally upside down when it seemed that Janeway was going to spend months by the Doctors side helping him recuperate and rebuild while... A million horrible things happened to the rest of her crew.

This is the episode after the episode after 30 days.

Maybe Tom would have preferred some mother sympathy of some hand holding rather than the fatherly abuse of being locked in a box for four weeks.
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Old November 3 2013, 05:31 AM   #54
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You're talking about the novels? Not canon.
I know canon is a religious word, but can you imagine a Jew saying "Not Canon" to a Christian like how we say the words, so nerdily?

"Water to wine? Not canon!"

If the New Testament is novels, then the Book of Mormon is definitely fanfiction.
I would imagine that more than a few thousand people have read the Book of Mormon.

Unlike the recent Trek novels.

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Old November 3 2013, 06:03 AM   #55
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Actually one of the most creepy Janeway moments was when the Doctor found out she was erasing his memory. The look on Picardo's face just captured how violated the character felt.
So it's okay for Spock to do it to Kirk, but not any other Trek character to do to anyone else?
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Old November 3 2013, 06:21 AM   #56
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Actually one of the most creepy Janeway moments was when the Doctor found out she was erasing his memory. The look on Picardo's face just captured how violated the character felt.
So it's okay for Spock to do it to Kirk, but not any other Trek character to do to anyone else?
Please tell me when I said that.
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Old November 3 2013, 06:23 AM   #57
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Actually one of the most creepy Janeway moments was when the Doctor found out she was erasing his memory. The look on Picardo's face just captured how violated the character felt.
So it's okay for Spock to do it to Kirk, but not any other Trek character to do to anyone else?
You think Spock "improved" the Captain whenever he Mindmelded with Jim Kirk?

Was it autonomically, subconsciously or wittingly?
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Old November 3 2013, 07:03 AM   #58
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. . .Was it autonomically, subconsciously or wittingly?
I first misread that as "anatomically".

Excuse me while I go use some brain bleach.
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Old November 3 2013, 07:10 AM   #59
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I dare you to google Spock + Kirk + Naked + diaper.
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Old November 3 2013, 07:19 AM   #60
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I google that all the time . But without the diaper .
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