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Old October 25 2013, 12:12 AM   #31
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Re: Hard Time: Really as effective a punishment?

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^ If anything it would be Harry Kim was treated as the O'Brien of VOY given DS9 came first.
When crap happened to O'brien I felt bad for him. WHen it happened to Kim it usually was funny.
Haha yes....
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Old October 27 2013, 07:01 PM   #32
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Again, this all makes me wonder why the heck these guys don't bother creating rehabilitation simulations instead of needlessly traumatizing guys and then turning said trauma cases loose on the world. That way the criminals still get the years of simulation, but now they're more ready to re-enter society as not-headcases.
Who says they wanted to rehabilitate them? The whole thing seemed like they wanted to punish O'brien. Especially since the charges were trumped up anyways.
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Old October 27 2013, 07:22 PM   #33
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^It might also be easier to break someone than fix them.
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Old October 27 2013, 08:44 PM   #34
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From a cost/effort standpoint sure. O'brien nearly offed himself, saving them the trouble and any future problems from the pesky troublemaker.
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Old October 29 2013, 09:04 PM   #35
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Re: Hard Time: Really as effective a punishment?

I think that episode makes us, the viewers, uncomfortable because we value our minds so much, and the idea that someone can basically mess with it is creepy as hell. At least to ME.

A traumatic memory is a traumatic memory is a traumatic memory. Doesn't matter if it's real or not. It's real to the person it's been inflicted upon and it hurt/scared/angered them. It's always seemed to me that memories tied to emotions leave the deepest marks on us, so to be filled with memories of pain and misery, real or not, would mess anybody up.
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Old November 2 2013, 12:48 PM   #36
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The system makes perfect sense if you don't know it's a simulation before you commit crimes. But with that information, you should be less scared with the prospect of being punished compared, which isn't good politics.
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Old November 2 2013, 02:34 PM   #37
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I don't buy that giving somebody a simulation of incarceration is as much of a deterrent as real prison. Besides the fact that real prison causes you to miss years of your life and has a huge physical toll, aren't most prisoners aware that it's not real?

O'Brien didn't know how Agrathi punish people, so when he accidentally kills his cellmate after falsely accusing him of hiding food, it has a tremendous psychological effect. If you knew it was fake, you'd probably be like 'Oh, NO did I kill my fake cellmate? How terribly awful of me I feel SO bad!'

And sociopaths wouldn't even feel bad about killing their cellmate, they'd come out thinking 'HA I get to go back to my regular life, some punishment.' Then they'd start committing crimes with total abandon thinking, worst case scenario, I get another fake prison experience and go right back to my life AGAIN.

And why don't they use this technology for people with terminal illnesses or very old people nearing death? Hey I have cancer, oh darn it, guess I'll have to spend 50 years in a paradise simulation.
I don't think you can simply gloss over 20 years of implanted memories, even if you knew they were fake to begin with.
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Old November 4 2013, 02:11 PM   #38
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'gloss over'? No.
But these memories will lose most of their emotional punch if you know they're fake. An illusion, out of which you will wake up on the same day you went to sleep.
Every time you're hungry, you know you're not really starving. Every time the prison bully beats you to within an inch of your life, you know you don't actually have a scratch on your real body.
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Old March 16 2014, 04:07 PM   #39
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It was bound to happen: Prisoners 'could serve 1,000 year sentence in eight hours'. I believe this raises serious questions about how authorities would choose to let prisoners use (or waste) their time. Even if the experience of long periods of isolation are all they experience, how much better would it be if they come out with severe psychological trauma.
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Old March 16 2014, 04:36 PM   #40
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There was an Outer Limits story about this, basically the message was that we should really think about the true inhumanity of the punishments before sentencing people to them.
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Old March 19 2014, 09:52 PM   #41
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It was bound to happen: Prisoners 'could serve 1,000 year sentence in eight hours'. I believe this raises serious questions about how authorities would choose to let prisoners use (or waste) their time. Even if the experience of long periods of isolation are all they experience, how much better would it be if they come out with severe psychological trauma.
Exactly. We should rehabilitate people and try to solve the problems that make people become criminal in the first place instead of devising new ways to punish, torment and torture them.
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Old March 22 2014, 12:39 AM   #42
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Maybe the sim-hoosgow was so invasive that it creates enough of an impression that it stays with you enough to override awareness of space/time. Regardless of how long it takes, if it's so powerful, the toll it takes on the psyche is more profound than the passage of time. In my eyes, you would need to have heightened levels of mental conditioning to overcome the effects of such a punishment, like perhaps a Vulcan, though I doubt a Vulcan would ever end up in an Agrathi court.
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