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Old November 1 2013, 10:35 PM   #16
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Re: Why doesn't T'Pau tell Kirk the fight is to the death?

After the Reformation, some progressive Vulcans proposed changes to the koon-ut-kal-if-fee ritual. Instead of dying in combat, the loser would have had to endure the humiliation of jumping out of the cake at the groom's bachelor party. Conservative Vulcan hardliners however, prevailed.
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Old November 1 2013, 11:36 PM   #17
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If T'Pau had mentioned that critical info in passing, you'd never have gotten the dramatic third act finish. That's the reason. So T'Pau's ''lawfully accepted'' line regarding the challenge is an utter crock. Still a highly effective episode....
Yes, of course that's the REAL reason. I was thinking there might be an in-character reason, as well. But the real reason could be the only one.
T'Pau could have simply assumed that Spock would have mentioned this detail to Kirk and McCoy (considering that they're supposed to be his best friends).
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Old November 2 2013, 12:47 AM   #18
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T'Pau could have simply assumed that Spock would have mentioned this detail to Kirk and McCoy (considering that they're supposed to be his best friends).
That would be a reasonable assumption in the absence of any other evidence. But when T'Pring challenges, McCoy says, "Ma'am, I don't understand. Are you trying to say that she rejected him? That she doesn't want him?" So it should be clear to T'Pau from McCoy's question that Kirk and McCoy have never even HEARD OF the challenge, much less know anything about what the subsequent fight will be like.

Given that challenging turns the woman into PROPERTY, I can well imagine that challenging doesn't happen too often.
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Old November 2 2013, 01:18 AM   #19
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T'Pau could have simply assumed that Spock would have mentioned this detail to Kirk and McCoy (considering that they're supposed to be his best friends).
That would be a reasonable assumption in the absence of any other evidence. But when T'Pring challenges, McCoy says, "Ma'am, I don't understand. Are you trying to say that she rejected him? That she doesn't want him?" So it should be clear to T'Pau from McCoy's question that Kirk and McCoy have never even HEARD OF the challenge, much less know anything about what the subsequent fight will be like.

Given that challenging turns the woman into PROPERTY, I can well imagine that challenging doesn't happen too often.
T'Pau could have looked at the issue this way: Spock chose Kirk and McCoy to accompany him; therefore, it was Spock's responsibility to make sure they knew what the ceremony was about. From Kirk and McCoy's pov, since Spock never mentioned the Challenge, it should be reasonable to assume that he hadn't expected it to happen, and therefore didn't bother to mention it.

No matter which way you look at it, T'Pau obviously thought it wasn't her fault that Spock hadn't told his friends that a fight to the death was a possibility.
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Old November 2 2013, 02:34 AM   #20
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All these answers, and not one about this being how T'Pau gets her giggles.
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Old November 2 2013, 04:43 AM   #21
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TPau probably thought every ritual fight for a woman is to the death.

It probably is in some cultures on Earth.
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Old November 2 2013, 05:01 AM   #22
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I always assumed T'Pau just knew exactly what she was doing. She always had that aura of having things well in hand, even when they seemed the most chaotic. YMMV, though.
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Old November 2 2013, 06:11 AM   #23
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I always assumed T'Pau just knew exactly what she was doing. She always had that aura of having things well in hand, even when they seemed the most chaotic. YMMV, though.
Yes, that's part of why I'm assuming that she deliberately misled Kirk. My question is WHY?
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I always assumed T'Pau just knew exactly what she was doing. She always had that aura of having things well in hand, even when they seemed the most chaotic. YMMV, though.
Yes, that's part of why I'm assuming that she deliberately misled Kirk. My question is WHY?
Perhaps she knew the logical outcome? To prevent T'Pring from gaining a foothold to Spock's family's properties and name? Maybe she knew T'Pring's duplicity didn't stop with love alone.
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I always assumed T'Pau just knew exactly what she was doing. She always had that aura of having things well in hand, even when they seemed the most chaotic. YMMV, though.
Yep. T'Pau has a little bit of heart and soul.
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Old November 2 2013, 11:01 PM   #26
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She did tell him. Just not in a timely manner.

Anyway, it was widely assumed in the 1960s that any man would fight to the death to win actress Arlene Martel (T'Pring, and Tiger on "Hogan's Heroes.")
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Old November 3 2013, 03:53 PM   #27
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