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Old October 29 2013, 03:11 PM   #46
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Re: Star Trek 2009 discontinuity from canon.

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Zefram Cochrane had a totally different personality as well as appearance. That still annoys me - like Berman and Braga had said "stuff you" to TOS. Still what can you do?

In the next movie they should introduce Kyle on transporter as a proper Sikh with turban and beard. He can turn from a whitebread Englishman to an ethnic Sikh. Would that make everyone happy?
Cochrane in TOS was a younger version, wasn't it? Did his age get reversed and he made it through all his AA meetings? So it would make some sense I suppose.

I prefer TNG Cochrane anyhow. He was a fun character.
The cynicism of FC Cochrane was explained pretty well in the novelization. He had a severe case of bipolar disorder, and with WWIII was off his meds, so was self-medicating with alcohol. Watching everything he cared about go up in nuclear smoke made him couch everything in cynical terms, but that a lot of it was an act to help him cope.
Its a non-canon explanation.
They'll be a non-canon explanation for Khan's ethnicity no doubt. I think its supposed to be in the comics.
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Old October 30 2013, 07:37 PM   #47
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There's a substantial difference between recasting a character in a similar appearance and changing them to be John Whitebread.
Zefram Cochrane had a totally different personality as well as appearance. That still annoys me - like Berman and Braga had said "stuff you" to TOS. Still what can you do?
I've no idea how true it is, but I've read here that someone originally wanted Cochrane to be female in First Contact.
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Old October 30 2013, 07:49 PM   #48
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Probably Ron Moore.
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Old October 30 2013, 07:59 PM   #49
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If it was Moore, then it probably would have worked really well.
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Old October 30 2013, 08:12 PM   #50
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Re: Star Trek 2009 discontinuity from canon.

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Zefram Cochrane had a totally different personality as well as appearance. That still annoys me - like Berman and Braga had said "stuff you" to TOS. Still what can you do?
From the Metamorphosis script;

KIRK: Mister Cochrane, do you have a first name?
COCHRANE: Zefram.
KIRK: Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centuri, the discoverer of the space warp?
COCHRANE: That's right, Captain.
MCCOY: But that's impossible. Zefram Cochrane died a hundred and fifty years ago.
SPOCK: The name of Zefram Cochrane is revered throughout the known galaxy. Planets were named after him. Great universities, cities.
KIRK: Isn't your story a little improbable, Mister Cochrane?
COCHRANE: No, it's true. I was eighty seven years old when I came here.
KIRK: You say this Companion found you and rejuvenated you? What were you doing in space at the age of eighty seven?
COCHRANE: I was tired, Captain. I was going to die, and I wanted to die in space. That's all.

SPOCK: True, his body was never found.
COCHRANE: You're looking at it, Mister Spock.
Being rejuvenated from a tired old man to a young vibrant man would do wonders for ones appearance and personality, don't you think? Plus it nicely ties in with with his disappearance in Enterprise.



To the OP, It's a reboot. If something in NuTrek aligns with canon then do a happy dance. If something doesn't align then our options are simple; like it or lump it.
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Old October 30 2013, 08:21 PM   #51
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Cochrane a female? That was Brannon Braga. He didn't know TOS, and when he and Moore were writing FC and looking for a love interest for Picard suggested Cochrane because he thought he was a she.
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Re: Star Trek 2009 discontinuity from canon.

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Zefram Cochrane had a totally different personality as well as appearance. That still annoys me - like Berman and Braga had said "stuff you" to TOS. Still what can you do?
By "different" I assume you mean an actual personality.
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Cochrane a female? That was Brannon Braga. He didn't know TOS, and when he and Moore were writing FC and looking for a love interest for Picard suggested Cochrane because he thought he was a she.
He was a she? That would've been a walk on the wild side.
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