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Old October 27 2013, 07:20 PM   #31
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Re: A more realistic approach to away teams

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I think the away teams should have alternate uniforms to wear just like they do here on Earth.
I agree. In TMP and TWOK they wore these "field jackets" over their basic uniform shirts. I liked that, it added an extra touch of realism.
And in The Cage as well. Of course, I imagine budgets probably got in the way of that. After all, it's one more costume to make.

Although Enterprise did also have field jackets too.
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Old October 27 2013, 08:57 PM   #32
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Re: A more realistic approach to away teams

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David Gerrold entertained the idea of away teams as early as 1973, in his book The World of Star Trek. He proposed the first officer lead the team, with the captain staying on the bridge.
That goes back to Kirk leading the majority of the landing parties. You have to think about "what is Kirk's real job?" Is he basically just a bus driver" taking exploration teams to their destinations? Or is Kirk the over all mission leader, not just the Captain of the transport ship?

It really makes no sense to leave the most experienced personnel aboard the ship. It took years to train people like Kirk, Spock and others, now don't use them.

Maybe the next time the ship goes into battle, Kirk should excuse himself and leave the bridge.

If something happen to Kirk (killed), Sulu was perfectly capable of returning the ship to a starbase to acquire another Captain.

So a landing party is composed of the mission leader, the best general scientist, the best doctor, and supplemented with additional specialist, add a few armed body guards.

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If you look on the Starship team as being explorers and First Contact guys then would you send your second string team down to the planet ...
There would be a time and place to do just this, allow junior officers to gain experience, gain confidence, missions of low level importance.

But most of the time policy should be to send in "the first team."


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Old October 28 2013, 12:08 AM   #33
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Re: A more realistic approach to away teams

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I think the away teams should have alternate uniforms to wear just like they do here on Earth.
I agree. In TMP and TWOK they wore these "field jackets" over their basic uniform shirts. I liked that, it added an extra touch of realism.
And in The Cage as well. Of course, I imagine budgets probably got in the way of that. After all, it's one more costume to make.

Although Enterprise did also have field jackets too.
was my joke to subtle?
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Old October 28 2013, 12:33 AM   #34
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Re: A more realistic approach to away teams

Funny enough…this stupid policy was actually addressed back in TOS.

Remember back in "The Ultimate Computer" the M5 very specifically pointed out that having the captain and CMO on a simple survey mission was unnecessary. Kirk of course got all in a huff over that simple bit of logic and thus the M5 joined the ranks of evil machines out to crush the human spirit….
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Old October 28 2013, 01:05 AM   #35
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Re: A more realistic approach to away teams

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Funny enough…this stupid policy was actually addressed back in TOS.

Remember back in "The Ultimate Computer" the M5 very specifically pointed out that having the captain and CMO on a simple survey mission was unnecessary. Kirk of course got all in a huff over that simple bit of logic and thus the M5 joined the ranks of evil machines out to crush the human spirit….
Kirk didn't like M-5 well before the survey mission...

The Ultimate Computer wrote:
KIRK: I think that thing is wrong, and I don't know why.
MCCOY: I think it's wrong, too, replacing men with mindless machines.
KIRK: I don't mean that. I'm getting a Red Alert right here. (the back of his head) That thing is dangerous.
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Old October 28 2013, 06:12 AM   #36
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Re: A more realistic approach to away teams

sojourner wrote: View Post
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I agree. In TMP and TWOK they wore these "field jackets" over their basic uniform shirts. I liked that, it added an extra touch of realism.
And in The Cage as well. Of course, I imagine budgets probably got in the way of that. After all, it's one more costume to make.

Although Enterprise did also have field jackets too.
was my joke to subtle?
Yes
I'm not a big sports fan.
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Old October 28 2013, 06:44 AM   #37
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And in The Cage as well. Of course, I imagine budgets probably got in the way of that. After all, it's one more costume to make.
That's true, however I've always wondered what happened to those Cage jackets: they already existed. Whatever became of them?

Two of them even were made for women, what with the mirrored flap, y'know, like women's shirts have reverse buttons on the front.
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Old October 28 2013, 08:57 AM   #38
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Re: A more realistic approach to away teams

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I agree. In TMP and TWOK they wore these "field jackets" over their basic uniform shirts. I liked that, it added an extra touch of realism.
And in The Cage as well. Of course, I imagine budgets probably got in the way of that. After all, it's one more costume to make.

Although Enterprise did also have field jackets too.
was my joke to subtle?
Apparently, I didn´t for a second think about sports teams But now that I got it, it really is funny

Although you involuntarily brought up an interesting point
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Old October 28 2013, 07:06 PM   #39
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IMO away teams should be mission specialists, like a swat team or spec forces unit. Oddly something like gate team from SG1, a small man squad with a verity of talents to carry out the mission. If its not a diplomatic mission the bridge crew have no place going.
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Old October 29 2013, 03:55 AM   #40
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IMO away teams should be mission specialists, like a swat team or spec forces unit. Oddly something like gate team from SG1, a small man squad with a verity of talents to carry out the mission. If its not a diplomatic mission the bridge crew have no place going.
Even if it was, I doubt you'd need a navigator, a helmsman and communications officer.
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Old October 29 2013, 04:18 AM   #41
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Even if it was, I doubt you'd need a navigator, a helmsman and communications officer.

No one ever accused Trek of making sense.
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Old October 30 2013, 10:23 AM   #42
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And what about spacesuits? I wonder why they are so uncommon in the 23-24 senturies, and if radiation/decompression/biohazard/life support failure SUDDENLY appears, people just keep asking transporter engineer if he has already locked on the away team. But when you are, for example, beaming on the 100 years old ship drifting in space, or some damaged vessels, you would probably want to be protected from some immediate threat - to take a spacesuit with you, giving transporter engineer time to save all the redshirts' atoms or even don't mind the vacuum/radiation and just continue exploring/investigating. After all, 200-300 years is quiet enough to make spacesuits more comfortable and protective (even cool-looking as we are talking about the TV show) than those that we have now.
Because colored shirts are really bad protection from radiation exposure, Spock guarantees that.
Also, they could record mission on personal badge cameras or something (maybe they do, but not always - TNG "Identity Crisis") and transmit image on the bridge main screen instead of reporting by communicators.

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Yes, it wouldn't be the Star Trek that we know. It never tried to look realistic. The ENT series were closer to our 21 century reality and that show was completely different from the TOS or TNG.
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Old October 30 2013, 06:23 PM   #43
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Re: A more realistic approach to away teams

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It never tried to look realistic.
That's not really true. The producers--at least on TOS--expended considerable effort trying to keep the show plausible. Roddenberry reportedly consulted numerous experts (not to mention keeping deForest Research practically on retainer) on various futuristic aspects of the show. (Consultations that, IIRC, led to changing "lasers" to "phasers," for example.)

What they didn't do was lose track of the fact that they were making dramatic entertainment, not a documentary.
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Old October 30 2013, 06:58 PM   #44
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Yes, it wouldn't be the Star Trek that we know. It never tried to look realistic. The ENT series were closer to our 21 century reality and that show was completely different from the TOS or TNG.

Enterprise was no more "realistic" than any of the other series. Though I am curious: how are those helmsmen, navigators and other dedicated personnel suppose to gain experience to advance their careers if they're always chained to their duty stations and not allowed to carry out other types of duties?

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What they didn't do was lose track of the fact that they were making dramatic entertainment, not a documentary.
Exactly.
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Old October 30 2013, 07:16 PM   #45
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Re: A more realistic approach to away teams

In reality you might have one officer with a number of enlisted people. The officer would probably be an engineer/scientist as the mission requires, you'd have a security guard, a medic, some lab assistants or engineers as the mission requires. You definitely wouldn't ever see the captain, nonetheless half of the ships command structure.

But of course one person we might know and a bunch of no-names doesn't make for good television.
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