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Old October 27 2013, 05:11 PM   #436
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My point is that an involvement he has with the Winter Soldier would likely be a plot twist. Unless the quote is from the very end of the movie (which isn't likely since it would be odd to say something like that at the end of the movie when the focus is more on action than building the plot), it would give away the twist to have him say it on camera to the Winter Soldier.
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Old October 27 2013, 05:25 PM   #437
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My point is that an involvement he has with the Winter Soldier would likely be a plot twist. Unless the quote is from the very end of the movie (which isn't likely since it would be odd to say something like that at the end of the movie when the focus is more on action than building the plot), it would give away the twist to have him say it on camera to the Winter Soldier.
flashback and it looks like "evil shield" gets set-up quite early to give Steve time to go on the run and also take Fury out.
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Old October 27 2013, 06:18 PM   #438
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Sure, I just think that's the less probably explanation. Particularly because I expect the story to be from Steve Rogers's point of view and isn't going to flip to another PoV. I could be wrong, I was just giving my opinion in answer to the question.
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Old October 27 2013, 06:47 PM   #439
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Sure, I just think that's the less probably explanation. Particularly because I expect the story to be from Steve Rogers's point of view and isn't going to flip to another PoV. I could be wrong, I was just giving my opinion in answer to the question.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single marvel universe movie that doesn't flip to another POV at some point in the film?
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Old October 27 2013, 07:28 PM   #440
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Fair point, but I'd still argue that flashbacks are different when it comes to changing viewpoints. You're not just watching the action develop, you're inside the character's head.
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Old October 27 2013, 09:13 PM   #441
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What struck me most about the trailer (apart from the most awesome Winter Soldier and him going hand to hand against Cap) is the morality displayed in the trailer (and hopefully in the movie).

I'm not a big Cap fan way back when i read comics on a regular basis but he always embodied a simple, uncompromising black and white view of the world. He knew what's wrong and he didn't make concessions or soften it up around the edges if "times demanded different actions".

He just was this fixed point where you could measure yourself against to see how far you have strayed. Some may call that simplistic but it's also the greatness of the character who won't budge under any circumstances and who will face every consequence but he will remain true to himself.

I guess if he were real and live in the post 9/11 world he would have some choice words on Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, the "Patriot Act", wiretapping etc (heck.. he even quit the job at one point in the comics out of protest because he couldn't support the government's actions).

If that translates well into the movie i'll be one really satisfied customer, if not at least i'll get some cool scenes and 'splosions for two hours.
I'd love them to make Civil War (only Avengers graphic novel I've read) down the line as a movie. Preferably with Downey, if he's still around.
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You'd need at least eight hours' viewing time to tell that one even close to properly.
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Old October 27 2013, 11:12 PM   #443
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Yeah, I think a Civil War storyline would have to take up an entire Phase of movies, culminating in an Avengers movie.
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Old October 27 2013, 11:33 PM   #444
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Well, the groundwork for a Civil War-type story could be laid in Agents of SHIELD, perhaps. There are already some hints of that in the show, with SHIELD's efforts to catalog and contain "gifted" people.
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Civil War was a terrible crossover. i can think of half a dozen events that could be better adapted.
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Old October 28 2013, 01:51 AM   #446
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There aren't anywhere near enough superhumans in the MCU to tell a Civil War story properly, and I doubt they'd want to link an entire "phase" of movies that closely.
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Old October 28 2013, 02:58 AM   #447
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More importantly, the story requires the heavy hitters to work. It can't be B listers and original adaptations.
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Old October 28 2013, 06:42 AM   #448
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More importantly, the story requires the heavy hitters to work. It can't be B listers and original adaptations.
They've got the most important heroes for that story: Captain America and Iron Man. Everybody else is just taking sides with them.
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Old October 28 2013, 07:44 AM   #449
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The problem with doing a cinematic Civil War is that, with so few super heroes, everything comes down to Thor and Hulk. You would need one on each side or there would be no contest. I guess Hulk would be Anti-Reg, but why the hell would Thor be Pro-Reg? And the story, on a plot/power basis, would become Thor vs. Hulk and not Cap vs. Iron Man.
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Old October 28 2013, 12:37 PM   #450
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I would assume that Thor and Hulk would either be mia or otherwise neutralized during any potential civil war storyline.

A larger problem for a potential adaptation would be trying to get Downey's Iron Man into a place where he can believably stand up and support a Registration act so passionately that he's willing to fight his former allies over it. So far, mcu Iron Man has been extremely distrustful of shield and the government both, and he's been continuously proven right about that, so something big would have to happen, probably several times over, to get him to that kind of about face.
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