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Old October 26 2013, 04:20 AM   #16
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Re: Most interesting casting choice

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Lockwood is quoted in the book as saying that he tilted his head back because he thought that gave him an appropriately arrogant air, since he was supposed to be playing a would-be god. The head-tilt was an intentional acting decision, not a side effect of the lenses.
It was quite effective, too, I always thought.
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Old October 26 2013, 05:44 AM   #17
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Re: Most interesting casting choice

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Lockwood is quoted in the book as saying that he tilted his head back because he thought that gave him an appropriately arrogant air, since he was supposed to be playing a would-be god.
It was quite effective, too, I always thought.
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Old October 27 2013, 12:24 AM   #18
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I thought the very strangest casting choices for guest stars were the ones where a recognizable guest star repeated in a very different role. Mark Lenard's role in "Balance of Terror" was not small or easily-overlooked, so seeing him again as Spock's father in "Journey to Babel" was rather a shock. And subsequent watchings of "Balance of Terror" -- after seeing him as Spock's father -- were pretty surreal. Surely Spock's father wouldn't attack the Enterprise? I know they're estranged and all, but isn't that taking things a little too far?

Almost as surreal was seeing Trelane show up as a Klingon captain in "The Trouble With Tribbles." WTF? How did Trelane become a Klingon? Again, Trelane was not a small role, so we couldn't fail to recognize his face when he appeared again in "The Trouble With Tribbles."

I guess things were different in the 60's.
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Old October 27 2013, 12:42 AM   #19
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I thought the very strangest casting choices for guest stars were the ones where a recognizable guest star repeated in a very different role....
I guess things were different in the 60's.
Not only was that par for the course in the '60s and '70s, it still happens from time to time today. On Law and Order, Jeremy Sisto played (IIRC) a defense attorney in the 17th-season finale and then got cast as one of the regular cops in the 18th-season premiere. And heck, the next star of Doctor Who is Peter Capaldi, who's played two previous roles in the franchise -- and former companions Freema Agyeman and Karen Gillan had also played other guest characters not long before. (As did several other regular or recurring players in the original series, but I'm focusing on modern instances.)

But yeah, it did happen all the time in '60s and '70s TV, when nobody expected old episodes to be remembered for long and continuity wasn't an issue. Generally they tried to avoid having an actor play two different characters in the same season, unless it was a minor background player, but there were a lot of shows where you'd see the same actors come back roughly once a season in different roles each time.
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Old October 30 2013, 01:46 PM   #20
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You can't watch ten episodes of The Rifleman without seeing Richard Anderson. I think they used to alternate him as good guy and bad guy.
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Old October 30 2013, 02:51 PM   #21
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Frank Gorshin (Bele) and William Campbell (Koloth) stand out to me. I liked Gorshin as the Riddler, but didn't care for him in any other roles I can think of - including this one. I liked Campbell very much in any other roles I can think of, except this one. I don't know if his acting, or the writer (or director) were responsible for the watered-down Klingon that apppeared onscreen, but it just didn't work - for me.
The other thing that was . . . odd, were the background characters that would die in one episode, and reappear later on, either as the same, or another background character - Eddie Paskey, take a bow.
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Old October 30 2013, 02:54 PM   #22
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then there is the Jack Webb Repertory Company -

Art Balinger: 18 episodes of Dragnet 67/70 in three seasons
15 episodes of Emergency! in four seasons

Art Gilmore: 15 episodes of Adam 12
15 " of Dragnet 67

Virginia Gregg: 13 Dragnets
8 Adam 12


Olan Soule : 8 Dragnets


you get the idea...
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Old October 31 2013, 02:50 AM   #23
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^Macauley also played Landru in "Return of the Archons".
doh

47 years of watching. Hadn't noticed that.
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Old October 31 2013, 11:54 PM   #24
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How can we forget Ricardo Montalban, a Hispanic playing Khan, a Sikh from India. Crazy think is, he pulled it off !
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Old November 1 2013, 12:05 AM   #25
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How can we forget Ricardo Montalban, a Hispanic playing Khan, a Sikh from India. Crazy think is, he pulled it off !
Happened all the time in the '60s. Anyone remotely "ethnic" in appearance got cast as all sorts of different ethnicities. Michael Ansara, who was from Syria, often played American Indians. Barbara Luna got cast as all sorts of different ethnicities. Even Leonard Nimoy was sometimes cast as an Indian or Asian.

But no, Montalban did not remotely pull off playing a Sikh. Sikh men are not clean-shaven, they do not have neck-length hair, they do not go bareheaded in public, and those who come from India do not, as a rule, have Mexican accents. (Although there is a Sikh community in Mexico, and a distinctive Punjabi Mexican American community that's formed around Yuba City, CA and includes Sikhs as well as Hindu, Muslims, and Catholics.)
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Old November 1 2013, 01:21 AM   #26
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I thought the very strangest casting choices for guest stars were the ones where a recognizable guest star repeated in a very different role. Mark Lenard's role in "Balance of Terror" was not small or easily-overlooked, so seeing him again as Spock's father in "Journey to Babel" was rather a shock.
I have long heard (don't ask me for a source -- probably an old issue of Starlog, or just fannish gossip) that Lenard was approached to portray Abraham Lincoln in The Savage Curtain but was unavailable, so the part went to Lee Bergere.

Can anyone confirm?

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Old November 1 2013, 03:30 AM   #27
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How can we forget Ricardo Montalban, a Hispanic playing Khan, a Sikh from India. Crazy think is, he pulled it off !
Happened all the time in the '60s. Anyone remotely "ethnic" in appearance got cast as all sorts of different ethnicities. Michael Ansara, who was from Syria, often played American Indians. Barbara Luna got cast as all sorts of different ethnicities. Even Leonard Nimoy was sometimes cast as an Indian or Asian.

But no, Montalban did not remotely pull off playing a Sikh. Sikh men are not clean-shaven, they do not have neck-length hair, they do not go bareheaded in public, and those who come from India do not, as a rule, have Mexican accents. (Although there is a Sikh community in Mexico, and a distinctive Punjabi Mexican American community that's formed around Yuba City, CA and includes Sikhs as well as Hindu, Muslims, and Catholics.)
I have to call nitpicking on this one. Khan may have been born to a Sikh family, and may have even been raised Sikh, but such an arrogant, self-aggrandizing rat bastard with delusions of grandeur can not, in any sense, have been a practicing Sikh. By the time he was exiled, Khan must have thrown off all the trappings of his childhood religion, fully believing himself above them, and all they represent to the true believers.
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Old November 1 2013, 04:01 AM   #28
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^But none of that is evident in the episode itself. So there's nothing in his actual performance that constitutes "pulling off" the role of a Sikh from India.
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Old November 1 2013, 04:51 AM   #29
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Then there's the fact that Marla can tell he's a Sikh even though nothing about his outward appearance says "Sikh". Is she psychic? Love to read the Kellam de Forrest feedback on that.
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Old November 1 2013, 02:49 PM   #30
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^I recall that somebody (Harvey?) actually posted the de Forrest notes about the inaccuracies in "Space Seed" somewhere on this BBS just a month or two ago. Too bad the producers ignored them.
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