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Old October 25 2013, 08:47 PM   #16
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"Worship me, or I'll turn my heat vision on you."
I'm guessing you've played the video game Injustice
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Old October 25 2013, 08:48 PM   #17
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A good comparison is the comic book character Superman. He easily could have taken over the world if he wasn't a good guy at heart. "Worship me, or I'll turn my heat vision on you."
He also isn't human.
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Old October 25 2013, 08:53 PM   #18
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This episode is amazing.

Amazingly bad.

Like Plato's Stepchildren kind of bad.

If they'd kept this sort of thing up, we'd never have gotten to the Borg.
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Old October 25 2013, 08:56 PM   #19
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This episode is amazing.

Amazingly bad.

Like Plato's Stepchildren kind of bad.

If they'd kept this sort of thing up, we'd never have gotten to the Borg.
TNG had already been renewed for a second-season by the time this episode aired. The ratings were high (and stayed high) and people had been generally positive about TNG.

Personally, I like the first two seasons better than anything that came after.
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Old October 25 2013, 08:56 PM   #20
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"Worship me, or I'll turn my heat vision on you."
I'm guessing you've played the video game Injustice
Never heard of it. I used to read Superman comics and watched the old 50's show growing up. Haven't seen any films since the Christopher Reeve days. Have some George Reeves and Kirk Alyn in my video library.
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Old October 25 2013, 09:16 PM   #21
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Well lets just say in Injustice Superman does pretty much take over the world. And someone defies Superman's will, and he/she gets heat visioned through the brain. Pretty disturbing scene actually.

But yeah the full saying is like "power corrupts... absolute power corrupts absolutely"
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Old October 25 2013, 09:30 PM   #22
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TNG had already been renewed for a second-season by the time this episode aired.
Considering the ratings, I'm not surprised. There were, however, many changes made behind the scenes on the way to the second season.
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Old October 25 2013, 09:38 PM   #23
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I don't think power necessarily corrupts, but I do think a good chunk of what we consider 'moral behavior' is the result of the fact that if we do not behave that way somebody will hurt us or take away our privileges. We can not exercise power over anybody we want because they have power to strike back us. Any exercise of power against somebody who has no power to defend themselves from it is an offensive act. If Riker had the power of the Q he'd apply his own values to them, and in doing so he would be forcing his will on other people.

Your response to that might be, what if he only uses it defensively, like to save that little girl's life? In the insular case, if it's only that little girl's life, there's no reason not to. What if he made a rule of that behavior, saving anybody whose life was ever in danger? How does he decide who gets to be saved and who doesn't? Unless he does so with everybody and effectively negates mortality for the entire universe, he will be applying them selectively to the people he values more, creating a major advantage for people who go along with his own values over those who do not.

One person with absolute power is simply not capable of deciding what's best for everyone. Otherwise Communism would work.

I would even say, the only way to morally use the powers of the Q is to lose all emotional attachment to mortals.
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Old October 26 2013, 06:29 AM   #24
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Ah, Roddenberry's ideas of humanity being so pure and perfect that they can resist any temptation and have no flaws. Like when Riker grants Geordi vision, he looks around, hits on Tasha, and then he just says no without any trouble at all. Even says "please" when asking for his blindness back! It's too absurd, and doesn't make an interesting story.
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Old October 26 2013, 11:17 AM   #25
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If by amazing the OP meant Amazingly bad, I could agree...

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The moral of the episode is powerful that humans need to evolve at our own pace so that our emotional, spiritual progress matches our technological progress.
What does that even mean? We have technology that creates food out of thin air and medical technology that can literally bring people back to life (which we have in today's world) AND erase selective bits of memory. When Riker wants to bring a girl back to life, everyone says no because... she needed to die?
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...it doesn't handle the subject matter nearly as well as Where No Man Has Gone Before.
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I don't think power necessarily corrupts, but I do think a good chunk of what we consider 'moral behavior' is the result of the fact that if we do not behave that way somebody will hurt us or take away our privileges. We can not exercise power over anybody we want because they have power to strike back us. Any exercise of power against somebody who has no power to defend themselves from it is an offensive act. If Riker had the power of the Q he'd apply his own values to them, and in doing so he would be forcing his will on other people.

Your response to that might be, what if he only uses it defensively, like to save that little girl's life? In the insular case, if it's only that little girl's life, there's no reason not to. What if he made a rule of that behavior, saving anybody whose life was ever in danger? How does he decide who gets to be saved and who doesn't? Unless he does so with everybody and effectively negates mortality for the entire universe, he will be applying them selectively to the people he values more, creating a major advantage for people who go along with his own values over those who do not.

One person with absolute power is simply not capable of deciding what's best for everyone. Otherwise Communism would work.

I would even say, the only way to morally use the powers of the Q is to lose all emotional attachment to mortals.
This post did make me re-evaluate for a minute...
...Nah, still find it boring, badly executed and without any redeeming features.
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Old October 26 2013, 02:16 PM   #26
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Anyone who doesn't think infinite power wouldn't corrupt a finite human isn't using their imagination. If you were a god all of a sudden, you'd start to, sooner or later. That's human. That's natural for all beings - to establish appropriate boundaries between themselves and their abilities with those around them.
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Old October 26 2013, 04:12 PM   #27
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Ah, Roddenberry's ideas of humanity being so pure and perfect that they can resist any temptation and have no flaws. Like when Riker grants Geordi vision, he looks around, hits on Tasha, and then he just says no without any trouble at all. Even says "please" when asking for his blindness back! It's too absurd, and doesn't make an interesting story.


yeah, that's the second problem with this episode, apart from the moral. The senior crew is shown to be absurdly incorruptible and pure.
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Old October 26 2013, 04:28 PM   #28
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How does he decide who gets to be saved and who doesn't? Unless he does so with everybody and effectively negates mortality for the entire universe, he will be applying them selectively to the people he values more, creating a major advantage for people who go along with his own values over those who do not.
That's interesting when you put it that way, the first thing I thought of was Kodos the Executioner.
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Old October 26 2013, 04:31 PM   #29
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It's funny how Picard brings up "power corrupts", yet Riker doesn't seem all that corrupted. He comes off as the most completely selfless godlike being ever, only wanting to grant the wishes of his friends and save a little girl from death. The only side-effect of him having powers is that it made him 100 times more smug than usual. Alright, maybe that's annoying, but if that can grant my wish to live in a mansion as a billionaire playboy with a secret passageway to a dark cave, I could take it.


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Old October 26 2013, 05:19 PM   #30
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Riker wasn't ready for god-like powers because he hadn't grown the beard yet
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