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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.38%
A 161 21.67%
A- 100 13.46%
B+ 82 11.04%
B 58 7.81%
B- 27 3.63%
C+ 40 5.38%
C 38 5.11%
C- 24 3.23%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.75%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.71%
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Old October 25 2013, 02:14 PM   #4921
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

And as for the "one man piloting a starship", half the secondary hull looked to be lined with mass server farms, when they were taken out by the torpedo explosion, the computer even states it can no longer guarentee it has enough control to follow orders anymore.
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Old October 25 2013, 07:15 PM   #4922
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I just saw the movie.
I read your review, kirk55555. Strong stuff.

Do you know there's a message board here on the BBS that is great for this type of discussion. It's in a place called The Neutral Zone. Strong discussion, and a thread about STiD as well. I think you'd like it!

Go up to the top left-hand corner of this page to "User CP" and click. On that page, scroll down on the left-hand side for "Group Memberships" and click. Then click to join The Neutral Zone and you're in. It's that easy!

Hope to see you there, buddy!
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Old October 25 2013, 07:16 PM   #4923
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Oh this should go down well
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Old October 25 2013, 08:47 PM   #4924
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kirk55555 wrote: View Post
I just saw the movie.
I read your review, kirk55555. Strong stuff.

Do you know there's a message board here on the BBS that is great for this type of discussion. It's in a place called The Neutral Zone. Strong discussion, and a thread about STiD as well. I think you'd like it!

Go up to the top left-hand corner of this page to "User CP" and click. On that page, scroll down on the left-hand side for "Group Memberships" and click. Then click to join The Neutral Zone and you're in. It's that easy!

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Oh this should go down well
I'm not wild about it, personally. A little too close to baiting for my liking.
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Old November 11 2013, 09:26 PM   #4925
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I just saw the movie. Is's another horrible JJ Trek film. First, I'll name the few good things in this movie. Simon Pegg, Karl Urban, Lenonard Nimoy and Benedict Cumberbatch are good actors, and did well with what they had. Cumberbatch was cast horribly as Khan, but he's a good actor and did as well as he could with the role. As for scenes I liked, it was hilarious when Kirk was trying to beat up Khan, and Khan weasn't effected at all.

Now that the positive is out of the way, I'll talk about the negative. This isn't all the negative stuff, and I'm not going through the whole story, but these are just things that come to mind. The overall story was fairly stupid. Kirk being relieved of command was fairly pointless, and (just as a relevant tech thing) a ship as big as the JJ Prise is not going to be traveling in gravity, much less act as a submarine.

There were a few scenes where I think the bad tech officially went from "only fans will get angry" to "makes no sense regardless of wether you care about it or not". The klingon neutral zone is far away from Starfleet, yet you can not only teleport there with a small module made of bullshit. It was stupid when it happened in the first movie, at this point, scotty's "formula" has basically made transporting over almost unlimited distance possible, although to be fair the Klingon homeworld, as shown in the movie, is apparently only a 5 minute warp trip away. So, I guess iuts not that far to transport If the klingon neutrtal zone/homeworld were that close, the klingons would have invaded long ago. Its practically on the federation's doorstep. Based on how long it took the Enterprise to get from their to earth its actually probably closer to Earth than Vulcan was in the first JJ Trek movie. Also, warp is not like going down a river, and you cannot be knocked out of some stupid "warp stream" like what the dreadnought did to the JJprise.

When it comes to the villains, the klingons looked horrible. They've never looked that bad before, this is easily the worst make up job they ever had. Khan was acted as well as he could, and he was slightly interesting, but he wasn't very similar to the actual Khan. He was just a smart villain with the same name.The dreadnought was a weird idea, and there is no way in hell it could be flown by one guy. Admiral Marcus's plan was stupid, and he was a moron. Starting a war with klingon's because...it was going to happen eventually anyway? In Star Trek VI, similar thinking made sense in the context of the movie. In this case, he was obviously crazy, and I have no idea how he could build a huge Starship in the solar system with no info being leaked at all.

Just for the record, The Wrath of Khan is my favorite movie of all time. so, ripping off its ending really pissed me off more than most. That said, I don't think I've read many review, even positive ones, were anyone thought that rip off (with Spock's "KHAAAAAAAAAN" scream) was a good idea. The magic blood was a complete cop out, and really stupid. I really wish they had just killed Pine off. that would have been awesome.

Now, for characters I haven't mentioned. Pine, Quinto and Saldanna were, once again, the unholy trinity of horrible actors. They don't have any ability to act at all and that, combined with being badly written characters, was a terrible combination. Spock/Uhura's little lover's spat was particularly annoying. Spock was also super emotional for what felt like half the movie. I wish old Spock had been on the ship to slap his whiny other universe self. I also have no idea how the Kelvin exploding made Carol Marcus not only like Star Fleet but be an officer, but besides that she was fairly bland and I didn't care about her one way or another.

Overall, while this was horrible, it was slightly better than the first one. Partially because I had no expectations for it being good, and partly because a few slightly interesting things did happen. The special effects were decent, and even if the warp core looked like a bunch of car engines stuck together atleast it looked like an actual room instead of a pipe maze sometimes.

I gave the movie an F in the poll, and if I were to give it a numbered grade, it would be a 2/10 (which is better than ST09's 0/10).
Funny enough, I liked ST09 better than this cluster f of a movie. The writing was a joke, and the acting was at times too. A real waste.

At least the first one was going somewhere. This one just kept on borrowing from the original series and the Wrath of Khan (which was miles better, imho, than this travesty). The whole getting a blood infusion so that Kirk may live, via due to the Tribbles (could be wrong, but this is what I remember), was just cheap and had me laughing my butt off . And the whole reverse death scene with Kirk getting killed instead of Spock, was just bad period.

I wanted to run out of my living room screaming after seeing this film. It made the old school Captain Kirk look good... and I couldn't stand him . Now he's all good... the new one gets on my nerves SO much .

What I said about it on another forum...
I would have given the film about the same score. It was a HUGE disappointment.

As for the good characters, I liked Spock, Bones and Scotty out of the whole lot. And I really didn't like how they used Chekov as a throw away character . I don't remember Star Trek ever doing that with any main characters in any of the shows or movies. It was just really sad .

As for Kirk, they made him into an utterly brainless idiot. Preferred the old school Kirk a LOT more (OMG, hell has frozen over... I used to HATE Captain Kirk with a passion -- but I'll take old school over new, due to their bumbling handling in terms of characterization).

One of the few funny moments in the film was where Kirk was with the two alien women, and rap music was playing when he was making out with them . Star Trek and rap music = wth? moment to me, imo. Current or not, it just seems rather odd .

One thing that stood out to me was at the beginning of the movie when Kirk and Spock dove into the water to get back to the ship. Now how in the world were they able to dive SO deep without assistance? It just made no real sense ...
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Old November 11 2013, 10:41 PM   #4926
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Look closer, they did have assistance - unless humans have found a way to shoot bubbles from their feet in the 23rd century.

(and it was Kirk and McCoy, not Spock!)
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Old November 11 2013, 10:56 PM   #4927
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Look closer, they did have assistance - unless humans have found a way to shoot bubbles from their feet in the 23rd century.

(and it was Kirk and McCoy, not Spock!)
Ah forgot about that.

Thanks... it was easy to get them mixed up .

Still am not a fan of the movie though.
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Old November 11 2013, 11:36 PM   #4928
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...

What I said about it on another forum...
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Star Trek and rap music = wth? moment to me, imo. Current or not, it just seems rather odd .

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Eh, maybe not so odd.


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Old December 11 2013, 02:41 PM   #4929
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Now, for characters I haven't mentioned. Pine, Quinto and Saldanna were, once again, the unholy trinity of horrible actors. They don't have any ability to act at all and that, combined with being badly written characters, was a terrible combination. Spock/Uhura's little lover's spat was particularly annoying. Spock was also super emotional for what felt like half the movie. I wish old Spock had been on the ship to slap his whiny other universe self. I also have no idea how the Kelvin exploding made Carol Marcus not only like Star Fleet but be an officer, but besides that she was fairly bland and I didn't care about her one way or another.

Overall, while this was horrible, it was slightly better than the first one. Partially because I had no expectations for it being good, and partly because a few slightly interesting things did happen. The special effects were decent, and even if the warp core looked like a bunch of car engines stuck together atleast it looked like an actual room instead of a pipe maze sometimes.

I gave the movie an F in the poll, and if I were to give it a numbered grade, it would be a 2/10 (which is better than ST09's 0/10).

I will give you the Khan scream and rip off scene of Kirk's death as been far from great but saying Pine, Saldana and Zachary are horrible actors is not criticism. It is not even bad criticism. it is hate speech.

If there is anything both JJ Trek's film has been praised for is how the acting is always excellent and how the ensemble cast are all brilliant and work together well.

You are so talking out of spite and hate.
It's his opinion, and this is the place for him to have posted it. Now that he's watched the movie at last, it's reassuring to know that kirk555555's review is consistent with the grade he voted in the poll many months ago.

No one is obligated to agree with everything or anything expressed therein. However, it's also best to confine criticism of any poster's review to its content and to leave any criticism of the reviewer unspoken.
Um right, so he voted months ago and just saw it? Yeah that's a valid criticism. More like spouting verbatim what the minority criticisms are of the movie amongst trek fans.
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Old December 11 2013, 03:31 PM   #4930
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I will give you the Khan scream and rip off scene of Kirk's death as been far from great but saying Pine, Saldana and Zachary are horrible actors is not criticism. It is not even bad criticism. it is hate speech.

If there is anything both JJ Trek's film has been praised for is how the acting is always excellent and how the ensemble cast are all brilliant and work together well.

You are so talking out of spite and hate.
It's his opinion, and this is the place for him to have posted it. Now that he's watched the movie at last, it's reassuring to know that kirk555555's review is consistent with the grade he voted in the poll many months ago.

No one is obligated to agree with everything or anything expressed therein. However, it's also best to confine criticism of any poster's review to its content and to leave any criticism of the reviewer unspoken.
Um right, so he voted months ago and just saw it? Yeah that's a valid criticism. More like spouting verbatim what the minority criticisms are of the movie amongst trek fans.
It's true I haven't read much of this thread, so, there may be a lot in this thread, but, of the criticisms I see common throughout the rest of the board, I've gotta say that he has come up with a new criticism, in saying Quinto, Pine and Saldana all were horrible actors. I haven't seen that criticism (And I personally don't agree with it, but, as far as I've seen, it is an original criticism)
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Old December 11 2013, 06:55 PM   #4931
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I will give you the Khan scream and rip off scene of Kirk's death as been far from great but saying Pine, Saldana and Zachary are horrible actors is not criticism. It is not even bad criticism. it is hate speech.

If there is anything both JJ Trek's film has been praised for is how the acting is always excellent and how the ensemble cast are all brilliant and work together well.

You are so talking out of spite and hate.
It's his opinion, and this is the place for him to have posted it. Now that he's watched the movie at last, it's reassuring to know that kirk555555's review is consistent with the grade he voted in the poll many months ago.

No one is obligated to agree with everything or anything expressed therein. However, it's also best to confine criticism of any poster's review to its content and to leave any criticism of the reviewer unspoken.
Um right, so he voted months ago and just saw it? Yeah that's a valid criticism. More like spouting verbatim what the minority criticisms are of the movie amongst trek fans.
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Old December 26 2013, 06:21 AM   #4932
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Say what you will about it, seems people liked it: Into Darkness CNN #2 Favorite Readers' Pick Of 2013 Hunger. Games was the only movie that beat it out.
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Old December 26 2013, 07:33 AM   #4933
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The movie was a solid C. What saved it from a D was the awesome special FX, but sorry, one main criteria I have for a Trek movie is re-watch-ability for me. This is as re-watchable as Nemesis or Insurrection, as in it has none.

Points I liked:
1. Cumberbach's acting
2. I did like seeing Peter Weller
3. The USS Vengeance
4.Enterprise rising out of the ocean
5.Pleased to see that the Klingons weren't SO different in appearance from the Prime universe, yet different look for a new feel.

Things I disliked:
1.Gawd, why reboot a series than rip off TWOK in the process, under the guise of being a "homage." Spock screaming Khan, especially. Talk about COMPLETELY missing the boat on going in a new direction! Wasn't that the whole point of bringing in Abrams to "revitalize" the franchise? They could have hired B&B do this movie.
2. Klingons need to lose the Spartan helms and the trench coats. They look kinda ridiculous.
3. JJ Abrams' interpretations of villain aliens need to use rogain!
4. Khan! I mean, WHY? before the lame reveal, John Harrison worked just fine as a villain in his own right.
5. Uhura nagging Spock all the time
6. I love all the fanboys who rave how STID is soo "innovative" but how many corrupt admirals are we going to see in star fleet? TUC and Insurrection covered that, already.
7. Magic blood!
8. Tribbles!
9. The fact that Star Trek 2009 is far superior. This one should have been better.
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Old December 26 2013, 08:27 AM   #4934
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6. I love all the fanboys who rave how STID is soo "innovative" ...
"Innovative"? I don't recall much raving about that going on.

Here's a suggestion: Why not stick to discussing the movie and/or comments which have been made here, and just leave out backhanded swipes at any fan groups for things they haven't actually said?
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Old December 26 2013, 01:29 PM   #4935
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Say what you will about it, seems people liked it: Into Darkness CNN #2 Favorite Readers' Pick Of 2013 Hunger. Games was the only movie that beat it out.
EVERYONE HATES STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS!!! EVERYONE!!!

How dare you bring in evidence that suggests otherwise!

*goes to dark place to sob because of your obvious attempts at cruelty*

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