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Old October 22 2013, 11:20 PM   #31
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

Kneelicks is ugly
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Old October 23 2013, 12:50 AM   #32
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

All men are ugly, what's your point?
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Old October 23 2013, 10:30 PM   #33
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

Kes is an adult for her species, I don't find the relationship creepy.

However, the thing about the Elogium happening once in your life, that implies that Ocampa do not feel sexual desire at any other point in their life. Which has certain other creepy implications about the power relationship between the two.
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Old October 23 2013, 10:40 PM   #34
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

They had separate rooms.

It's an easy argument to suggest that they had a nonsexual relationship, despite all the kissing.
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Old October 23 2013, 11:10 PM   #35
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

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Kes is an adult for her species, I don't find the relationship creepy.

However, the thing about the Elogium happening once in your life, that implies that Ocampa do not feel sexual desire at any other point in their life. Which has certain other creepy implications about the power relationship between the two.
eh I don't think we can assume anything about a species that only lives 9 years.
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Old October 24 2013, 12:07 AM   #36
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

I'm told that "You Mother mates out of season" is a popular non human insult.
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Old October 24 2013, 12:33 AM   #37
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

Neelix was like a prepubescent human male before his first date, pretending to be worldly about his areas of known space, but basically full of shit. A child in an adult's body. Kes seemed the more psychologically mature of the two.
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Old October 24 2013, 02:18 AM   #38
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Yes, maybe she was as mature as him when they first met.. but not really. When the first met she was just super naive and believed all his bluffy ego stuffs.
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Old October 24 2013, 02:28 AM   #39
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You do understand that that's what game is?

Men can only trick women into thinking they're not crude sex obsessed perverts planning their next fart who are less smart than they are.

So there's only two legal ways for a (straight) man not to die a virgin, woo morons, or acquire enough wealth/stuff that your built in and inescapable flaws don't seem so repellent.
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Old October 24 2013, 02:39 AM   #40
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Neelix was like a prepubescent human male before his first date, pretending to be worldly about his areas of known space, but basically full of shit. A child in an adult's body. Kes seemed the more psychologically mature of the two.
But who ended up with a family and a likely high position in a colony, while the other turned batshit insane and alone?
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Old October 24 2013, 03:01 AM   #41
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Kes had her chance and she spurned him, so in the context of ancient fairy tales, she refused to kiss her frog prince and her fate was deserved. Neelix is an example of how kissassers rise to high places.
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Old October 24 2013, 03:13 AM   #42
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Kes had her chance and she spurned him, so in the context of ancient fairy tales, she refused to kiss her frog prince and her fate was deserved. Neelix is an example of how kissassers rise to high places.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Neelix, but he got an amazing send off compared to "I'm traveling back in time to kill my friends" Kes.
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Old October 24 2013, 03:21 AM   #43
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He didn't rise high.

He went to live with inbred morons living under a rock who thought he was a god.

Which is exactly the nature of his relaitonship with Kes in the beginning before she grew up..
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Old October 24 2013, 03:23 AM   #44
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Neelix should've stayed with them until they got to the Alpha Quadrant. Then he could've become King of the Pakleds.
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Old October 24 2013, 03:58 AM   #45
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I really didn't understand the reasoning of writing Neelix out of the show so that he misses the big finish. It could have been the beginning of an entirely new adventure for him as an explorer. But by that time, the only growth they were worried about was Seven's.
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