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Old October 21 2013, 09:54 PM   #76
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Dukat was clearly attracted to Nerys. Because she resisted him, which made her higher value to him than the women he could get just by being in his position. It would have been a bigger victory to bed her.
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Dukat himself said it, "A true victory is to make your enemy realize they were wrong to oppose you in the first place."
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Old October 22 2013, 04:47 AM   #77
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His whole obsession about Bajor in a nutshell. He must have that victory.
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Old October 22 2013, 06:29 AM   #78
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DUKAT: Perhaps the biggest disappointment in my life is that the Bajoran people still refuse to appreciate how lucky they were to have me as their liberator. I protected them in so many ways, cared for them as if they were my own children. But to this day, is there a single statue of me on Bajor?
Dukat does not think of himself as a rapist.

Rape by Deception.

He's insane.

In his mind, Kira is his once and future daughter as well as his betrothed.

(Up till the point he dies, if it's at all a permanent death.)

If he expects statues and gratitude from the tired withered dregs he nearly worked to death, then why wouldn't he expect a World's Greatest Dad mug from Kira, the daughter of the woman he institutionally raped for 8 years?
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Old October 22 2013, 07:08 AM   #79
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Re: Dukat attracted to Nerys?

Even if Dukat eventually was aware Kira would never be his lover, he would have had a reason. He would have told himself and others that he respected her wishes due to his generous nature.
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Old October 22 2013, 12:09 PM   #80
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His whole obsession about Bajor in a nutshell. He must have that victory.
[nods]

Do you think that's related to his obsession with Bajoran women, specifically? Or is he into Bajoran woman because they're the women around him (when he was prefect, I mean, there didn't seem to be many Cardassian woman around and he seemed into aliens).

I always that, too, was related to his idea that he should be revered on Bajor, so he also thought the chicks there should dig him. And yet, pretty much every Bajoran woman he beds does it because he's taking advantage of an unequal power situation (Meru's a comfort woman taken from her family; Ziyal's mother was probably something like that; the one in Covenant thinks he's the messiah, even Winn, he gets with her due to deception and because she knows he knows stuff about the pah wraiths, etc. It's also implied that he probably just stood on the promenade and picked out women, which were to brought to him).

Related: Has anyone read/does anyone remember the article in star trek magazine, april 2001, in which Marc Alaimo tries to explain that Dukat's not really a very bad guy? I have to disagree with that (even if Dukat doesn't consider himself one).
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Old October 22 2013, 04:59 PM   #81
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Maybe his motto is just "Occupying Bajor one woman at a time."
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Old October 23 2013, 04:05 PM   #82
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Someone's got to do a meme of that one!
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Old October 23 2013, 05:32 PM   #83
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LOL! Yes. It does seem to be one of his goals, though.
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Old October 24 2013, 01:11 PM   #84
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I wish he had played it so you just knew he wanted to do Damar as well.
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Old October 24 2013, 01:42 PM   #85
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It is and always has been about power and reliving the glory days to Dukat. He makes it known from the pilot episode on that he misses the office and longs for the days he was overseeing Bajor. Kira represents so many things that he desires. I think there is an obvious sexual attraction but she is that nostalgic conquest that would allow him to have that feeling of power over not only Kira, but what she represents. Her resistance only makes him want it more.
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Old October 24 2013, 08:38 PM   #86
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I wish he had played it so you just knew he wanted to do Damar as well.
Most likely male Cardassian to put the moves on Damar:

Garak.
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Old October 24 2013, 09:52 PM   #87
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Yes, though I don't really think Damar is Garak's type. I can just hear Garak making veiled chump comments about him.
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Old October 24 2013, 10:53 PM   #88
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Haha, yeah I don't see Damar and Garak together. I remember the first time I read about how Andrew Robinson said Garak is just attracted to "attractive people," perhaps regardless of gender, and I was relieved because I really did read him that way. I was sort of confused when he was checking out Ziyal, you know, I thought he only had eyes for Bashir.

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It is and always has been about power and reliving the glory days to Dukat. He makes it known from the pilot episode on that he misses the office and longs for the days he was overseeing Bajor. Kira represents so many things that he desires. I think there is an obvious sexual attraction but she is that nostalgic conquest that would allow him to have that feeling of power over not only Kira, but what she represents. Her resistance only makes him want it more.
Yeah, I'm sure it would be a major victory for him if he had actually gotten with Kira.
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Old October 24 2013, 11:02 PM   #89
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Lets how good you are at this?

Can you picture Damar and B'Elanna together?
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Old October 24 2013, 11:10 PM   #90
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That would have made for some amusing moments on the Paramount lot. Almost as funny as "Neelix" and "Odo" doing a scene from "Benson" in full Trek make-up.
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