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Old October 4 2013, 11:49 PM   #31
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

Soong: You could have done anything, Data. Why Starfleet?

Data: There are "hot babes" there, and I have managed to "score" with some of them.

Soong: That's m'boy....
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Old October 5 2013, 05:01 PM   #32
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

Well often enough one of the first questions with any new piece of technology that someone asks is, "Can I have sex with it?"

I don't even mind the stupid hilarity of this episode, but... the second one? Bad call there to have an episode of your whole cast behaving like drunken morons. I marvel that TNG didn't get canceled after the first season to this day.
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Old October 5 2013, 05:56 PM   #33
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

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There's no doubt they had sex in The Naked Time.

But Tasha was under influence.

She seemd to regret that at the end opf the episode: "It never happened!"

Roddenberry was portraying the future as sex-liberal, but I'm not sure this is liberality.

OTOH Data is clearly immature at that point. He could be argued to be incapable of understand his actions. He annoyed Picard with embarassing questions often.


Edit: given the occasional truculence of the moderators I've seen around here I half-expect this thread to be deleted or closed on sight. If so, oh, well.
If you watch the episode, you can see that:

both are "drunk"
she seduces him
he is fully functional

There is no "abuse". Who would have been abusing whom? The fuckt that he has the program and equipment to pleasure her all night long should show that he is not immature, and clearly understands his actions.

You can also regret sober sex and come to the agreement that it never happened.
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Old October 10 2013, 03:12 PM   #34
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

I still think if Data had an emotion chip at the time, he'd feel like she just used him for a sophisticated sex toy. ....You know in the series it was clear he kept an attachment to her. Even after her death....actually especially after her death. There should have been a scene in Generations where he feels sadness for her loss.
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Old October 10 2013, 06:59 PM   #35
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

I always thought Data had an affection towards Tasha even if he wasn't capable of rationalizing the emotion. As for Generations... honestly, the whole emotion chip subplot contributed -nothing- to the movie.
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Old October 11 2013, 01:58 AM   #36
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I think the thread is losing focus. Simple question: who should be arrested and/or put in a intergalactic known sex offenders list?

(btw, I'll watch the ep again to see if Data was already infected at that point or the virus is a std in this case. brb)
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Old October 13 2013, 09:02 PM   #37
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neither. Data was seduced by Yar. Yar was mentally affected by a chemical. Want to blame somebody for abuse, blame Dr. Noonien Soong for making data anatomically correct and programed with "Multiple techniques" . But she could have as easily found a toy in her drawer... Actually this episode has done more damage to data than anyone. He was degraded into a pleasure device...
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Old October 15 2013, 12:57 AM   #38
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

Reading this thread the thing that keeps popping into my head is how at Tasha's funeral when the holgram version of her is saying all the goodbyes she didnt get to she looks at Data smiles and tells him 'it did happen.'

I think it was, as others have already stated multiple times, a case of regret after seducing probably the only one of her coworkers who wouldnt realise she was under the influence of a mind altering chemical. A fairly new coworker at that since this was only the second episode and the pilot showed that apart from Riker/Troi most of the crew hadnt met before being assigned to the Enterprise together.

Maybe, like Pulaski, she saw Data more as machine than person at first which contributed to her embarassment at the situation. I like to think over the course of the first season as everyone got to know one another better her regret/embarassment lessened especially since data went along with pretending it never happened and didnt treat her any differently. If anything they became good friends.

I always read her holgram telling him that 'it did happen' as an indication that she was no longer regretful or embarassed by what had happened and didnt mind him acknowledging it if he wanted to. By then she knew him well enough to know he would probably never tell others about it unless he had a good reason to.
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Old October 15 2013, 09:01 PM   #39
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"Drunk" or not, Tasha was the sexual aggressor, and Data was virtually a child when it came to sexual experience. I'd say that nobody was at fault.
You have some funny ideas on consent. Tasha may have been the aggressor but she still wasn't in her full state of mind, it'd take an immoral person to take advantage of that. Plenty of times drunk women get in "aggressive" moods sexually and it's still pretty much universally considered dickish to take advantage of that.

dickish or sleazy perhaps, but I don't think a situation where a guy sleeps with a drunk woman who comes onto HIM, especially when he had nothing to do with her drunkenness(meaning, he wasn't deliberately getting her drunk to sleep with him) can really be construed as "abuse." And in this case, Data was clearly influenced by the virus and pretty innocent about Human social cues.
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Old October 15 2013, 09:21 PM   #40
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They were both victoms of a virus/chemical intoxication thingy. No one was to blame unless you can charge a virus.
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Old October 17 2013, 07:59 PM   #41
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It was neither affection, nor abuse. It was a drunken one-night stand.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old October 17 2013, 09:24 PM   #42
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It seems to have been more for Data. Unless people routinely keep pictures of their one night stands in their room?
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Old October 18 2013, 04:59 PM   #43
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

Well it only makes sense that it would *become* more for Data. If nothing else, it's the only moment in his life in which he has that sort of experience.

Normal people probably would feel differently about their one night stand if it was the only time they ever had sex.
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Old October 22 2013, 07:00 PM   #44
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

..Data should be programmed understand the subtleties of consent, right? It was clear to me that Data was under the impression it was a fully consenting invitation.
Yes, I mean, I recall Data's "mother" seeing him going to visit Troi in that one episode, and she gets the wrong impression that his sexuality program is working (of course, DAta's intent in visiting her was nothing like that though). I imagine that would include things like consent, not just the capacity to perform the act itself.

I thought the episode was implying that Tasha was *already* secretly attracted to Data, that's why she chose him. As for Data's immaturity, yeah, but he's not going to have the same emotional response to sex as a human and I think in this case it's perfectly ok to think of him as an adult male, if this is implying that Yar took advantage of him. I don't think Data could take advantage of Yar because he really didn't seem interested in having sex with the women he's around, she initiated, I think he was just going along with what he thought she wanted.

And as for Tash'a saying "It never happened!" I think that's more that she was embarrassed by acting strangely while intoxicatd, not that she was overly horrified at the idea of having sex with Data. It's been a while since I watched that ep, though, can't recall too many details.

Tasha's advice of "It never happened" is good. For the whole episode.
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Old October 31 2013, 02:46 AM   #45
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

I always found that scene and the follow up to be really uncomfortable.
I see Data as the one who was taken advantage of. He did seem pretty immature, even child like, in his reactions, so it does feel like he was abused. I mostly don't really blame Tasha due to her impaired state of mind. The "bad touch" feel of the whole thing is worse because of the way Tasha takes this attitude of "don't tell". It's open to interpretation, but I still find it creepy.
In no way do I think Data took advantage of her. She was the aggresser and the more experienced party. If the genders had been reversed and a "drunk" man took the virginity of an innocent female android and then pressured her to keep it a secret, I think people would see this differently.
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