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Old October 19 2013, 06:37 PM   #631
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Re: New Book about TOS: These Are The Voyages

According to the Kickstarter page, Cushman has cancer, so when he mentions "health issues" I think he's underplaying it a bit.
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Old October 20 2013, 04:12 AM   #632
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Not quite sure the platform he's using, but POD is pretty easy to fix when there are problems. Upload an amended file and let the laserprinters roll! You're not stuck with warehouses or stores full of the error-filled version. Sounds like he needs a fact-checker and editor as well as proofer, though. I will do the proofreading for a fair price, Mr. Cushman, wherever you are.
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Old October 20 2013, 05:31 AM   #633
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Frankly, many of those mistakes would have been caught by a single decent proofreader in a few days.
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Old October 20 2013, 06:21 AM   #634
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Has there been any more clarification about the image pilfering aspect? I noticed that somebody else posted on amazon (a positive review) that touched lightly on this and of course there were the usual immediate responses from the usual couple of suspects decrying and making cries of foul and basically implying the poster should be beheaded for questioning the image rights issue at all ... pretty much the same as what I got when I brought it up there months back, yet with no new information, just the same old rhetoric.

(and no, I'm still not buying the books.)
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Old October 20 2013, 07:06 AM   #635
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Not that I know of.

Looking at those Amazon comments again, were the ones made by the publisher (and not "The Collector") deleted by the author?

Probably the wisest move, legally, although it certainly doesn't put the publisher in a very good light (not that anything they've done has, really).
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To help me understand the platform being used: Is the book available in stores? Or only online via ordering?
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Old October 20 2013, 06:22 PM   #637
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As far as I know, it's not available in stores -- only online.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:36 PM   #638
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Easy to fix all those errors, then.

(I asked about bookstores as a clue to the author's platform because bookstores are loathe to carry self-published titles, even if the product is good. There is the longstanding racket whereby stores send books back for a sizable refund within a period of time, if they don't sell. They don't trust self-pubished authors to have the financial backing to cover big refund checks. Which is true.)
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Old October 22 2013, 01:15 AM   #639
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New interview about the book is now live on Trekcore.

As interesting for what it avoids as for what it touches on.
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Old October 22 2013, 01:27 AM   #640
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New interview about the book is now live on Trekcore.

As interesting for what it avoids as for what it touches on.
I enjoyed reading that and I certainly look forward to the next volumes. I, too, was quite surprised to learn what we thought of the ratings isn't what we thought all these years.
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Old October 22 2013, 06:23 AM   #641
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Marc Cushman wrote:
But once a publisher says "no," it's always going to be "no." Bottom line, my agent sent in the wrong chapters as a sample of what these books are really about.
When in doubt, blame your agent.

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I, too, was quite surprised to learn what we thought of the ratings isn't what we thought all these years.
I'd be surprised, too, if I bought Cushman's argument. His reasoning, however, is a mess:

--Cushman claims the Nielsen ratings were super-secret (this is quite overstated).

--Although he presents Nielsen ratings for almost every broadcast of the series on NBC (I believe the initial run of 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' is omitted) there is very little information about how the series ratings compare to the rest of television in general (in other words, the numbers that informed ad rates).

--The ratings presented in the book are a mix of two different figures: those measured in twelve major markets and those measured nationally. The former, more limited sample is weighted towards the audience that watched Star Trek. The broader, national figures show a smaller audience for the series.

--The book repeatedly refers to Trendex with Nielsen as being the same (Trendex, Nielsen, and Arbitron were the three major competitors when it came to measuring ratings in the 1960s).
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Old October 22 2013, 06:40 AM   #642
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Could he be selectively choosing ratings samples to support his argument that the series was a success? It certainly doesn't support anything I'd read back in the 60s or early 70s.
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Old October 23 2013, 05:27 AM   #643
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That's a small part of it, but I think it's mostly an issue of understanding and interpretation.

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To spitball a bit for the ratings for a bit...

Thanks to the files at UCLA, here are Nielsen ratings a bit more detailed than the ones Cushman presents for 'The Man Trap' (derived, the report says, from a 30-city sample). These must be the ones Cushman reports on a half-hourly basis, since the 8:30 and 9:00 figures are identical to the ones in the book.

8:30 –
NBC: STAR TREK (46.7 audience share / 25.2 average rating / #1)
ABC: TAMMY GRIMES (26.1 audience share / 14.1 average rating / #2)
CBS: MY THREE SONS (17.4 audience share / 9.4 average rating / #3)

8:45 –
NBC: STAR TREK (43.3 audience share / 24.1 average rating / #1)
ABC: TAMMY GRIMES (27.1 audience share / 15.1 average rating / #2)
CBS: MY THREE SONS (19.6 audience share / 10.9 average rating / #3)

9:00 –
NBC: STAR TREK (42.2 audience share / 24.2 average rating / #1)
ABC: BEWITCHED (27.6 audience share / 15.8 average rating / #2)
CBS: THURSDAY NIGHT MOVIE (18.7 audience share / 10.7 average rating / #3)

9:15 –
NBC: STAR TREK (39.8 audience share / 23.0 average rating / #1)
ABC: BEWITCHED (29.8 audience share / 17.2 average rating / #2)
CBS: THURSDAY NIGHT MOVIE (19.0 audience share / 11.0 average rating / #3)
And here are the same 30-market Nielsens from 'Charlie X,' the next episode broadcast:

(Network - Show - Share)

8:30

ABC – Tammy Grimes – 21.4 (#3)
CBS – My Three Sons – 33.4 (#1)
NBC – Star Trek – 32.0 (#2)

8:45

ABC – Tammy Grimes – 20.0 (#3)
CBS – My Three Sons – 35.1 (#1)
NBC – Star Trek – 31.5 (#2)

9:00

ABC – Bewitched – 25.0 (#3)
CBS – Music Man – 36.0 (#1)
NBC – Star Trek – 29.2 (#2)

9:15

ABC – Bewitched – 28.9 (#2)
CBS – Music Man – 36.2 (#1)
NBC – Star Trek – 26.6 (#3)
These audience shares are different than the ones Cushman reports in the book (p.202), which give a larger share to the first half of 'Charlie X,' and then a smaller share to the second half.

In fifteen minute increments, here's Star Trek's share of the audience over a two week period (using the archival figures):

46.7 -- 43.3 -- 42.2 -- 39.8 -- 32 -- 31.5 -- 29.2 -- 26.6.

Or, if you use the Cushman figures, here's Star Trek's share of the audience in thirty-minute increments over a two week period:

46.7 -- 42.2 -- 35.9 -- 22.8

Unfortunately, UCLA only has ratings for the first handful of episodes.

(If that seems a little rambling and unfocused -- well, that's because it is. More, perhaps, later.)
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Old October 23 2013, 05:41 AM   #644
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Heck, even I watched The Music Man that particular night, even audiotaping it on reel-to-reel. I didn't start watching Star Trek until several few weeks later.
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Old October 23 2013, 05:42 AM   #645
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That's actually fairly straightforward. Thanks.
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