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Old October 21 2013, 11:49 PM   #16
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Even if it was only a cameo.

I know it wouldn't be easy to write it, but it would have been cool to see him on the big screen one more time, considering the guy probably doesn't have many years left with us
But how many curtain calls does he need? He's already taken his final bows twice--in TUC and Generations. That's probably enough.
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Old October 22 2013, 12:01 AM   #17
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Re: They really should have found a way to get Shatner on one of the m

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Even if it was only a cameo.

I know it wouldn't be easy to write it, but it would have been cool to see him on the big screen one more time, considering the guy probably doesn't have many years left with us
But how many curtain calls does he need? He's already taken his final bows twice--in TUC and Generations. That's probably enough.
That's why having the Shat playing Mudd would be perfect...

Just another actor playing an already established Trek character in the JJ-verse, but with a bit of a surprise/kick to it.

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Old October 22 2013, 12:23 AM   #18
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I dont think having little cameos means they aren't standing on their own. Rather it's taking full advantage of the alternate universe setup in the first one, which allows them to do this in a non-ridiculous way. Plus Nimoy is barely in Into Darkness - they totally stood on their own.
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Old October 22 2013, 12:56 AM   #19
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Except for Khan and the inverted TWOK sequences. Sure.

Honestly the best bit of the film to me was when they were doing the Star Trek thing on Niburu, and that was an entirely new alien species, and visually compelling sequence. I liked everything except for Enterprise being underwater, but that was a minor thing. The sequence as a whole is very well done, paced nicely, has a solid conflict going on for the characters. If they would do more of that, and less of the reflection, inversion, call backs, and cameos i'd be a very happy Trekker. That scene showed me that they could bring back the old Trek vibe of TOS without actually doing something specifically from a previous episode of Trek.
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Old October 22 2013, 01:05 AM   #20
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Except for Khan and the inverted TWOK sequences. Sure.

Honestly the best bit of the film to me was when they were doing the Star Trek thing on Niburu, and that was an entirely new alien species, and visually compelling sequence. I liked everything except for Enterprise being underwater, but that was a minor thing. The sequence as a whole is very well done, paced nicely, has a solid conflict going on for the characters. If they would do more of that, and less of the reflection, inversion, call backs, and cameos i'd be a very happy Trekker. That scene showed me that they could bring back the old Trek vibe of TOS without actually doing something specifically from a previous episode of Trek.
I kind of agree with this.

Personally I know it's highly unlikely Shatner will show up in any form on nuTrek. I think it was a missed opportunity that they should have used in the first movie.

Doing Khan again was a bit of a rehash, but hopefully now the new movies can move on their own without rehashing old TOS.
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Old October 22 2013, 05:04 AM   #21
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Old Kirk could have appeared during the mind meld in the first movie. It would have been brief but memorable.
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Old October 22 2013, 04:57 PM   #22
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Old Kirk could have appeared during the mind meld in the first movie. It would have been brief but memorable.
i was expecting Picard to be in that scene first time i saw it

as for shatner i was half expecting something to be revealed when Kirk and Spock beamed over to the Narada (where they were basically going into the ‘Prime Universe’ and messing about with Next Generation/Prime stuff) - maybe when nuKirk is searching for Pike he sees a holo image of TWOK Shat Kirk on neros computer consol (Nero checking up on his adversary/brushing up on starfleet history from Spocks ship like in ‘Countdown‘– who Kirk is/what his thinking is like etc. it would’ve vaguely tied in with Kirk saying earlier that Nero would know what they were up to as they were part of his history so lets be unpredictable )

just a throwaway thing – kirk would catch a fleeting glimpse of his alternate future before he gets his ass kicked

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Old October 22 2013, 05:08 PM   #23
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Old Kirk could have appeared during the mind meld in the first movie. It would have been brief but memorable.
The problem is, that would have called attention to the recasting, like including a clip of Sean Connery in Casino Royale. Or including a clip of Katie Holmes in The Dark Knight.

They got away with including Quinto and Nimoy in the same movie because the age differential was so extreme (Young Spock and Ancient Spock) that you could pretend that they were the same character, separated by a long lifetime of experience. But a shot of Shatner might strain our suspension of disbelief . . . .

The conceit, remember, is that Kirk has always looked like actor currently playing him--which is why Old Spock recognizes him on sight.
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Old October 22 2013, 05:21 PM   #24
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The movies are already riddled with nods and call backs to the original shows and films, I think it's best to just move on. I suppose I'm just immune to fan pandering after the last two Star Wars prequels had George trying to appease to older fans by throwing in a bunch of pointless references "Hey look, it's Chewbaca, you remember Chewbaca, right? In those better films? Weren't they great? Isn't this film great?".
I had the same problem with The Hobbit. The camera would linger on characters from Lord of the Rings, with their familiar music cues, telling the audience, "Hey, remember THEM? Yeah, they're BACK!" Except, chronologically, this is supposed to be the first time we meet these characters.

Frankly, this is my problem with many prequels* in general, in that they require knowledge of previous movies to work, rather than as stand alones that just happen to play with another movie's building blocks.

*Not talking about the Abrams Trek films, though. They're not prequels.
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Old October 22 2013, 05:35 PM   #25
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No... just no. If NuTrek is supposed to be it's own thing.... let it be it's own thing and stop trying back to the "prime" universe at every conceivable opportunity.
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Old October 22 2013, 07:00 PM   #26
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Shatner doesn´t want to make other character in Star Trek, except Kirk.
Bill could be a distant relative of Kirk, a merchant. Not Mudd, of course.
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Old October 22 2013, 07:24 PM   #27
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The movies are already riddled with nods and call backs to the original shows and films, I think it's best to just move on. I suppose I'm just immune to fan pandering after the last two Star Wars prequels had George trying to appease to older fans by throwing in a bunch of pointless references "Hey look, it's Chewbaca, you remember Chewbaca, right? In those better films? Weren't they great? Isn't this film great?".
I had the same problem with The Hobbit. The camera would linger on characters from Lord of the Rings, with their familiar music cues, telling the audience, "Hey, remember THEM? Yeah, they're BACK!" Except, chronologically, this is supposed to be the first time we meet these characters.

Frankly, this is my problem with many prequels* in general, in that they require knowledge of previous movies to work, rather than as stand alones that just happen to play with another movie's building blocks.

*Not talking about the Abrams Trek films, though. They're not prequels.
nuTrek hasn't stooped that low, but I feel that references as such is cut from the same cloth and I find it more annoying than a wink as film makers intended. Berman thought throwing in Riker and Troi would be a delight for fans, but we saw how that turned out. I feel the same about a Shatner cameo, especially when Chris Pine is trying to put his own stamp on Kirk. If there has to be callbacks, I'd prefer it to be restricted to this new timeline.
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Old October 22 2013, 08:42 PM   #28
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But how many curtain calls does he need? He's already taken his final bows twice--in TUC and Generations. That's probably enough.
And space shuttle Discovery.
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Old October 22 2013, 09:33 PM   #29
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Re: They really should have found a way to get Shatner on one of the m

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Old Kirk could have appeared during the mind meld in the first movie. It would have been brief but memorable.
The problem is, that would have called attention to the recasting, like including a clip of Sean Connery in Casino Royale. Or including a clip of Katie Holmes in The Dark Knight.

They got away with including Quinto and Nimoy in the same movie because the age differential was so extreme (Young Spock and Ancient Spock) that you could pretend that they were the same character, separated by a long lifetime of experience. But a shot of Shatner might strain our suspension of disbelief . . . .
I don't like recasting either but I make certain allowances if a different actor plays a much older or much younger version of a character and if the two look alike for the most part. In the case of Shatner and Pine, they're similar enough and the age gap is big enough that I could have accepted seeing them in the same movie.

As for the Connery and Craig scenario you mentioned, that would have been too jarring since the two don't look alike and play significantly different versions of the character in different eras. And if Holmes were to appear in a shot in The Dark Knight, that would have been even more so because it would constitute blatant recasting and there's no age issue.

Point is, if they did want to include Shatner in the first movie, I can't think of a better opportunity than that mind meld. Someone else actually brought it up years ago I liked it. I think something like that would have worked a lot better than having an actual scene with an older Kirk.
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Old October 22 2013, 09:43 PM   #30
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The movies are already riddled with nods and call backs to the original shows and films, I think it's best to just move on. I suppose I'm just immune to fan pandering after the last two Star Wars prequels had George trying to appease to older fans by throwing in a bunch of pointless references "Hey look, it's Chewbaca, you remember Chewbaca, right? In those better films? Weren't they great? Isn't this film great?".
I had the same problem with The Hobbit. The camera would linger on characters from Lord of the Rings, with their familiar music cues, telling the audience, "Hey, remember THEM? Yeah, they're BACK!" Except, chronologically, this is supposed to be the first time we meet these characters.

Frankly, this is my problem with many prequels* in general, in that they require knowledge of previous movies to work, rather than as stand alones that just happen to play with another movie's building blocks.

*Not talking about the Abrams Trek films, though. They're not prequels.
nuTrek hasn't stooped that low, but I feel that references as such is cut from the same cloth and I find it more annoying than a wink as film makers intended. Berman thought throwing in Riker and Troi would be a delight for fans, but we saw how that turned out. I feel the same about a Shatner cameo, especially when Chris Pine is trying to put his own stamp on Kirk. If there has to be callbacks, I'd prefer it to be restricted to this new timeline.
Agreed, especially since the powers that be are trying their best to make us like the current cast (which is redundant because they've won us over). I thought Nimoy's role in XI worked, but it was already a stretch -- Into Darkness was just superfluous.
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