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Old October 21 2013, 11:38 PM   #976
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Well, the half-hour reconstruction I saw looked really cool. Plus it's the first historical -- I don't think "An Unearthly Child" really counts.
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Old October 22 2013, 12:20 AM   #977
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Perhaps you're right. That combined with the impulse buys, and maybe there is. But, we'll have to see if they have recovered any more. Here's hoping!

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Old October 22 2013, 01:07 AM   #978
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Well, the half-hour reconstruction I saw looked really cool. Plus it's the first historical -- I don't think "An Unearthly Child" really counts.
I suppose it should, but I no one counts it as an historical that I know of.
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Old October 22 2013, 01:26 AM   #979
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Marco Polo was an epic story when I first listened to it. Rather than Hartnell leading the charge he's simply swept along by history. At seven episodes it's long but rather than drag it's heels by repeating the same formula of escaping and being captured, etc, the journey from the roof of the world to Peking literally keeps the story moving.

My only gripe is the almost pantomime-esque of Marco's blindness to see what's really going on with Tegana's deceit, even right up until the final scene in the throne room.
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Old October 22 2013, 02:44 AM   #980
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Plus it's the first historical -- I don't think "An Unearthly Child" really counts.
I suppose it should, but I no one counts it as an historical that I know of.
And they're right. History doesn't mean the whole past, it means what's documented about the past. "An Unearthly Child" (or "The Tribe of Gum" or "10,000 BC" or whatever) is set before the dawn of recorded history. So it's not a historical -- it's a prehistorical. "Marco" is the first story set during actual historical (i.e. documented) events.
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Old October 22 2013, 03:25 AM   #981
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And they're right. History doesn't mean the whole past, it means what's documented about the past. "An Unearthly Child" (or "The Tribe of Gum" or "10,000 BC" or whatever) is set before the dawn of recorded history. So it's not a historical -- it's a prehistorical. "Marco" is the first story set during actual historical (i.e. documented) events.
In Doctor Who, historicals are stories set in Earth's past, without any sci-fi elements.
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Old October 22 2013, 03:35 AM   #982
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^Uh, yes, we all know that. That's why we've been tossing around the word "historical" in our posts as if we knew what it meant. The point is about whether the first serial fits that category or not.
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Old October 22 2013, 03:35 AM   #983
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And they're right. History doesn't mean the whole past, it means what's documented about the past. "An Unearthly Child" (or "The Tribe of Gum" or "10,000 BC" or whatever) is set before the dawn of recorded history. So it's not a historical -- it's a prehistorical. "Marco" is the first story set during actual historical (i.e. documented) events.
In Doctor Who, historicals are stories set in Earth's past, without any sci-fi elements.
Wether niggling over "Pre-historical" or "Historical", IMHO, as a Serial, it doesn't qualify because An Unearthly Child brings in all the SciFi elements, The TARDIS, The Time Travel, etc. Now, of course, The Historicals have them traveling in The TARDIS, but, that's after that part is established. With The first episode, since it introduces the whole premise and the SciFi elements and that's mainly what the episode is about, it qualifies as SciFi, IMO. The other 3 episodes are like a different Serial, and yea, they belong in the "Historical" pile, IMHO (wether you want to call them "Historical" or "Pre-historical")
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Old October 22 2013, 03:42 AM   #984
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^Uh, yes, we all know that. That's why we've been tossing around the word "historical" in our posts as if we knew what it meant. The point is about whether the first serial fits that category or not.
And it does. There's no need to be pedantic about those terms, in my opinion. Or we could argue that, since they're all fictional anyway, there's no point in calling any of these stories "historical".
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Old October 22 2013, 04:11 AM   #985
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Good grief, lighten up. I'm just playing with words, because it's fun.
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Old October 22 2013, 04:24 AM   #986
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Plus it's the first historical -- I don't think "An Unearthly Child" really counts.
I suppose it should, but I no one counts it as an historical that I know of.
And they're right. History doesn't mean the whole past, it means what's documented about the past. "An Unearthly Child" (or "The Tribe of Gum" or "10,000 BC" or whatever) is set before the dawn of recorded history. So it's not a historical -- it's a prehistorical. "Marco" is the first story set during actual historical (i.e. documented) events.
I don't know, AUC did a great job of depicting 1963 and that's nearly 50 years ago, so that's historical!

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Old October 22 2013, 04:40 AM   #987
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Good grief, lighten up. I'm just playing with words, because it's fun.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were joking.
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Old October 22 2013, 04:45 AM   #988
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Neither did I and I had the same reaction as you.
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Old October 22 2013, 10:29 AM   #989
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And they're right. History doesn't mean the whole past, it means what's documented about the past. "An Unearthly Child" (or "The Tribe of Gum" or "10,000 BC" or whatever) is set before the dawn of recorded history. So it's not a historical -- it's a prehistorical. "Marco" is the first story set during actual historical (i.e. documented) events.
In Doctor Who, historicals are stories set in Earth's past, without any sci-fi elements.
Actually we don't, technically, know for sure that episodes 2-4 of the series are set on Earth, we just assume so.
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Old October 22 2013, 02:25 PM   #990
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And they're right. History doesn't mean the whole past, it means what's documented about the past. "An Unearthly Child" (or "The Tribe of Gum" or "10,000 BC" or whatever) is set before the dawn of recorded history. So it's not a historical -- it's a prehistorical. "Marco" is the first story set during actual historical (i.e. documented) events.
In Doctor Who, historicals are stories set in Earth's past, without any sci-fi elements.
Actually we don't, technically, know for sure that episodes 2-4 of the series are set on Earth, we just assume so.
And, of course, we have no way of knowing when stories with no apparent links to Earth like The Keys of Marinus and The Krotons and so on are set, so they could be before 1963 for all we know! Which would make them non-Earth historicals!

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